Parker Leads...Others Follow

TARNATION !!! · 10-11-2010, 04:25 PM

Thanks Dean: Thread is 3 pages back. Read it and the links. Appears there is an 18 month period where barrels were made. One assumes, if made, they also were put into production of a totally made in USA gun. Fairly rare in any event. Not being a student of the barrel making process, the big surprise to me was the barrel source for Parker was Belgium. Obviously, they were capable barrel makers. What is the history behind the disparaging JABC reference (Just Another Belgian Clunker) Were there a lot of el-cheapo guns built there? Were there equally many decent guns built there that suffer by association to "clunkers"?

Cheers,
Jack

Drew Hause · 10-11-2010, 04:51 PM

Sorry gentlemen but still recovering from a trip to Mexico, and not a vacation

This should help

https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfg2hmx7_1742r4n6vcz and

http://docs.google.com/document/pub?...eFell8GsAWd-KI

The U.S. makers most certainly continued to source rough fluid steel tubes from Belgium well after WWI.

We've found the LLH of Laurent Lochet-Habran on Smith guns manufactured from 1914 to 1948. That of course does not establish when the tubes were actually imported.

The mark of Canons Delcour is found on post-WWI Smith, Fox, Ithaca NID (“Best Fluid Steel”) and Ithaca Lefever Nitro Special A-grades.

charlie cleveland · 10-11-2010, 11:35 PM

to my understanding the PLAIN STEEL BARRELS weremade by parker bros...or do i have this wrong......the gun i have has a patent date of 1874 on it plus serial no site says made in 1874....does this fall in the time period that parker made there on barrels....... charlie

Drew Hause · 10-12-2010, 11:10 AM

Charlie: I was waiting for a Parker expert to step in, but I'll go ahead and...step in it

358 guns were made with "Plain Steel" which was used for a short period in transition from "Decarbonized Steel" c. 1875. The decarbonized steel was probably sourced from Remington; plain steel possibly.
The Parker ads found by EDM and John Davis only mention Parker making Laminated and Twist barrels c. 1878

Autumn Daze · 10-12-2010, 03:14 PM

Drew, To claify...Decarbonized steel was left over musket barrels from Parker Bros. contract with the US government during the Civil War.

Both decarbonized and plain steel barrels are considered by many to be unsafe to shoot.

Drew Hause · 10-12-2010, 06:47 PM

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/...e=1&PHPSESSID=

charlie cleveland · 10-12-2010, 07:08 PM

i beleave i have this figured out now...remington was probably the makers of the plain steel barrels....carbonized steel seemed fairly strong after reading about how it was made...do i have this right....thanks for the info....one thing i figured out a plain steel barrel gun is rare but not worth a whole lot... charlie