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thanks researcher for the information and setting me straight on these shells...i forgot about the lc smith long range and the super fox being made beore the model 12 duck gun...the box of 1 3/8 ounce load i will be getting is the western brand of shells...i have a empty box of the 1 7/8 ounce loadingsin in the duck box....hope to add more as time goes by...charlie
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