Agents for Parker - Page 2

Dean Romig · 02-12-2018, 09:56 AM

No Mike - Parker Bros. never made Damascus barrels, only Laminated Steel.

Examples of Parker Bros Laminated Steel....

In the fifth picture from the top you can see the differences in welded pattern about halfway of the length of both tubes.

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Mike Franzen · 02-12-2018, 12:04 PM

That’s a beautiful gun. I have yet to acquire a laminated barrel gun. My gun is 12088. Very close to the gun pictured.

Dean Romig · 02-12-2018, 12:17 PM

Actually, that's five different guns Mike.

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Mike Franzen · 02-12-2018, 10:21 PM

I meant the first one pictured

Dean Romig · 02-12-2018, 10:30 PM

Oh, I see what you mean - the barrel pattern in the first picture. Fantastic symmetry for Parker-made Laminated barrels.

That's my 16 ga. O-frame lifter in the second picture.

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Drew Hause · 02-13-2018, 01:42 PM

And the top 2, and bottom 3 are most certainly not Parker produced "Laminated Steel", but we've had this discussion a time or 5

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20330

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5520

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthr...=7342#post7342

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...YvzD18i3c/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...4S6OIN1bA/edit

Dean Romig · 02-13-2018, 08:45 PM

Then we should amicably agree to disagree, right?

I'll concede the gun in the top picture because I don't have any evidence of a P stamped on the left barrel flat where the letter stamp for the steel type is normally found, but that's all I'll concede.

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Drew Hause · 02-13-2018, 09:32 PM

I'm just trying to be exact in our description of pattern welded barrels. We know John Blaze made Damascus barrels for D.B. Wesson 1867-1870, both Crolle

and another he labeled Laminated Steel

Another Wesson and it is clearly Corche

and it is quite similar to "The Gold Towel' guy's 1878 Gr. 4 Lifter and the last gun you posted above

Were the tubes left over from the D.B. Wesson supply, or made by John Blaze for Parker after Dan Wesson shut down his shotgun production in December 1870?

Despite the "Laminated Steel" mark however, the pattern is not what Birmingham, Liege or Ferlach would call Laminated Steel.

This Back Action Lifter barrel really IS Laminated Steel and the tubes (butt-welded together) are slightly different

But "Parker Bros. Laminated Steel" is fine by me.

Remington called it "Ohonon 6 S.T." and I have no idea how they came up with that. There was a Thonon Liege maker but I haven't found an Ohonon

Dean Romig · 02-13-2018, 09:57 PM

Knowing that composit barrel-making specialist(s) were brought to Parker Bros. in Meriden from Europe to instruct and maybe even perform the task in training Parker Bros workers in the art of manufacturing composit barrel tubes, wouldn't it make sense that the focus be on a variety of Laminated patterns than just one? I think so.
During the years 1877 - 1879 we see examples of at least two, possibly three different Laminated patterns used on Parker shotguns. Therefor, it seems to me that Parker Bros. workers may have produced more than one Laminated pattern.

We have learned over and over never to say never when it comes to what Parker Bros may have or may not have done.

I know the "Gold Towel Guy's" grade 4 that you picture, Drew, has no P stamp and I believe the other of his that you show has no P either but of the Laminated Steel barrels on Parkers that I have seen in that time period and two or three years after 1879 the majority have the P stamp. Maybe the barrels without the P were sourced elsewhere, or maybe stamping the P was overlooked by those responsible to do so... for whatever reason.

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