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I understand, I think, your possible confusion. Parker grade numbers for the Hammerless double guns, I believe initially ran from 1 through 8, the higher the number, the higher the Grade- I have two older PH guns with Twist barrels, they are both marked with 1 on the watertable, as well as the letter P- my GHE is a grade 2, so marked on the watertable- DH- grade 3, CH grade 4, BH grade 5, AH grade 6, AAH grade 7, and the scarce A-1 Special grade 8.
When Parker Bros. later brought out the VH grade, as there is no number smaller than 1, already in usage, that grade with be marked V- the Trojan was the last "new" grade Parker introduced- possibly to compete with the fine AH Fox Sterlingworth- as an economy model- no "extras available" but a solid field grade gun indeed. I have owned and hunted with two 12 gauge Trojans, both were marked OV on the watertable. The Trojan grade can always be distinguished as the frame contours are not sculpted as on the higher (VH-A1-S grades) and no ejectors were offered for the Trojan. You can also "ballpark" the grade of the Parker you have in hand by the barrel steel: Vulcan, Special, Titanic, Acme, Peerless etc- BUT this is not 100% accurate, as over the years a DH(E) may turn up with Acme barrels, or a CH(E) with Titanic barrels, etc. Case in point- my GHE 12 has 28" Vulcan Steel barrels, usually found on the VH(E) grade. The other gents are right- research and the TPS book(s) are the best place to start your quest for an "Olde Reliable". If you should end up with a Trojan, whether 12, 16 or 20 bore-you will have, along with the VH(E), the most popular model Parker offered- and as a collector friend advised me when I bought my first Parker (a Trojan 12 many years ago)- in a era of "upgraded and possible counfeited" Parkers (due to the great demand for them) no one can ever "upgrade" and pass off a Trojan as being a BH(E), due to the difference in the frame contours. Any Parker Trojan or VH that fits you and has not been badly "butchered" (cut off buttstock, cut off barrels etc.) will perform just as well in your hands as a AAH(E) grade would- Good luck in your quest. ![]() |
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how many trojans were made in 8 gauge and 10 gauge ? . is the grade numbers the same as the frame size numbers ?.how many hammerless were 8 gauge ?
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Milton, There are no Trojan 8 and 10 gauge gun's. 12,16 and 20 were the only gauges available in the Trojan.
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The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dave Suponski For Your Post: |
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David is correct Milt- the Trojan was only offered in 12-16-20 gauges, never with ejectors, most often with double triggers, and without the 1878 patent date forearm latch mechanism found on the Graded Parker hammerless guns.
But as they say, never say never too often- Peter Johnson in his 1960 book on Parkers mentions a very few Trojans made in 24 gauge- on the PGCA site I also read about a few Trojans offered with Twist barrels instead of the Trojan Steel- I agree, grade numbers on the watertable, but the frame size for your Parker is found on the bottom rear part of the lug-if a later series gun, right behind the pinned in place tool steel wedge shaped wear bar- Almost always in the Trojan- 12 gauges were No. 2 frame, 16 gauges were No. 1 frame, 20 gauges No. O frame size. The difference in the size of the frame in the same gauge Parker is mainly the dims. on center between the firing pin holes in the standing breech face- If you had two 12 gauge VH(E) Parkers, one on a size 2 frame, the other on a size 1 frame, you would see the difference in that set of dimensions right away- also the wall thickness at breech of the size 2 framed gun would be somewhat greater than that found on the size 1 framed gun-- I have a shooting companion that inherited a "matched pair" (sort of); ![]() ![]() |
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doesnt T grade stand for trojan ?
http://www.pugsguns.com/findItem.action?id=1438 can someone correct me if wrong there so many grades kind of confusing being new at this lol |
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