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Yes, Edgar they are the same shells you found for me, even though the look OK Wayne is probably right about the primers not firing, I have a full box of 8 gauge shells but do not want to break them up, I also found some loaded 8 gauge shells that came with the P grade 8 gauge steel barreled gun that I had some years back, Just afraid to shoot them in my P grade twist 8 gauge hammer gun since I do not know what pressure they are, but will work it out , Gary
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