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gary i will have to find them orange birds mysef not a shooting course close to me...i guess i could buy one of those cheap throwers and hunt that away...i just got the little 20 out and weighed it .....it weighs 5.8 lbs feels like nothing comepared to the 8 ga and 10 ga i m use to shooting....my health issues at the moment says i got to go to a lighter gun...charlie
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