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07-08-2010, 09:18 PM
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Here is a photo for your enjoyment!
Left to Right: 50x3-1/4", 4 gauge NPE, 10 gauge, 12 gauge, 16 gauge, 28 gauge (2-7/8") Hmmmm...as for Madis, that is a challenge! |
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07-09-2010, 10:42 AM
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nice looking shells what brand of shell is the 4 ga. were is the 8 ga and 3 ga at. just a thought charlie
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07-09-2010, 04:31 PM
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I have Riffles book on the M12 but not the Middas book. One of the guns I wish I had back was a M12 28ga grade 5 skeet with a solid rib. I also had a matching M42. Some are kept some are tarded and some will always be missed...those two are missed
 I trade a Win 101 Pigeon grade 3 bbl set (20,28,410) for the M12 and M42 but can't remember for the life of me what those were traded for...probably a Parker.
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07-09-2010, 06:28 PM
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The photo is old. I do have a fairly complete line-up now. The 4 is a WRA Co. (I have a loaded Eley). The 10 and 16 are black powder WRA Co. The 12 is a WRA Co. Leader. The 28 is WRA Co. I am awaiting a larger-than-4 bore NPE. When that gets here, I will have a photo with it, 4, 8, 10, 10A, 12, 14, 16, 20, 28 and 32. The weekend of Puglisi's event, my youngest daughter and I will be in Minneapolis to see Ringo and His All Starr Band. Cheers!
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07-09-2010, 07:22 PM
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mark a very nice collection . wish i had a loaded 4 ga american shell. i also have a 4 ga ely shell loaded. they are kind of like parkers to look at beautifull. i passed up a 18 ga umc a while back. well hind sight is always good... charlie
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07-09-2010, 07:49 PM
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When the 28-gauge was first introduced in North America in the Parker Bros. doubles and the Remington Arms Co. singles, the "standard" load was 1 3/4 drams equiv. and 5/8 ounces of shot in a 2 1/2 inch case. However, virtually from the get go, the longer 2 7/8 inch 28-gauge case was available from the ammo companies. But just like the longer shells in larger gauges, back prior to WW-I, the longer shells only got more and better wadding from the ammo factories, not a heavier payload. In his 1910 book The American Shotgun, Chas. Askins, the elder, writes of handloading 3/4 ounce loads in 2 7/8 inch cases for his 6 3/4 pound, 30-inch barrel Parker Bros. 28-gauge. The 2 1/2 inch 5/8 ounce load remained the "standard" 28-gauge load until 1932 when Western Cartridge Co. brought out their Super-X 28-gauge in the 2 7/8 inch case with a 3/4 ounce load and a max charge of progressive burning powder. The other ammo companies soon followed suit. The introduction of this more powerful 28-gauge shell caused Ithaca Gun Co. to begin cataloging 28-gauge NID doubles again. Ithaca had quit cataloging 28-gauge doubles with the introduction of the NID in 1926, and its availability in .410-bore. They did make NID 28-gauge guns between 1926 and 32, but they were not catalogue items.
The Winchester Model 12 wasn't introduced in 28-gauge until 1937, and it was introduced chambered for 2 7/8 inch shells. Shortly after WW-II the ammo companies standardized the 28-gauge shells at 2 3/4 inch and later 28-gauge Model 12s were chambered for 2 3/4 inch shells. Since then various ammo companies have been stuffing 7/8 and even a full ounce in 2 3/4 inch 28-gauge shells! Our good buddies at RST are making delightful little 2 1/2 inch 28-gauge shells again. |
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Great post - thanks Dave. |
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