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Ed, you are quite right ,I have an old Mec, Versamec but I haven't used it in years ,I am going to have to see if I can get set up to load 10 Ga. shells ! Ammo was so inexpensive I have just been ordering it mostly from Poly Wad ,and buying over the counter locally but recently its getting out of hand !To be honest I have never owned a 10 Ga. before and I quickly got sticker shock !