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Strangely with both of these guns being approx IM or tighter they both show a liking for 000 . And it just so happens I have 15-20 pounds of Remington 000 someone gave me a few years ago . I've had very nice results in the past on deer with 000 , 00 , 0 and 1 . Over the next year or two I wanna take a few with #2 and 3 buck most likely in the 20 gauge guns but then again they seem to do nicely in this 10 gauge as well .