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I'll load 2 1/2 dram of FFg Goex or 2 3/4 dram of FFg Goex under 1 oz of 7 1/2 or 8 shot. Nothing but paper hulls, felt wads and over shot card. I use a Lee Load-All just for these shells. I use a old dipper for the powder and everything else runs through the press. Use them in the BP events at the Southern shoots and they crush targets. I'll use the 2 3/4 dram loads once in a while for bird hunting when I'm feeling nostalgic too.