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Yea, at about 200 yds or more all you can see without a scope is just the white of the target paper, or at least that's all I can see, Just try for the center of the paper, but with three guys shooting, we have a ball. I guess I am a woosie cause I use a slip on pad on mine, heck after 30-40 rounds the old shoulder starts to get a little sore, gary
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