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[Dean Romig]

This is the GHE 16 I referenced in my previous post, 236199.
I wish I had taken better pictures to show the Robert Runge engraving in more detail.

Has anybody else seen this style of buttplate on an early Remington era Parker? This is only the second one I've seen.




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[Jim DiSpagno]

Dean, I've seen that type on Remington shotguns of pre-war age. But not too often

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

Dean -that is a wicked unusual butt plate. It looks like it was born on that gun. never seen one. The usual era plate is a Parker without Bros non-spurred plate.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by George M. Purtill

Dean -that is a wicked unusual butt plate. It looks like it was born on that gun. never seen one. The usual era plate is a Parker without Bros non-spurred plate.

Right George, but what did Remington use for a replacement for the "Parker Brothers" dog's head butt plate before they manufactured their own "Parker" dog's head butt plate? The one I posted the picture of, I believe - possibly a "transition" butt plate...?

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Right George, but what did Remington use for a replacement for the "Parker Brothers" dog's head butt plate before they manufactured their own "Parker" dog's head butt plate? The one I posted the picture of, I believe - possibly a "transition" butt plate...?

Agreed. I think there was a period of time, perhaps turmoil, where they were not sure what they were going to change or keep. In my upcoming article on the Remington guns, you will see my position is that they told management that they were going to NOT lose money on the Parker operation, nothing would be thrown away and nothing new would be started until they had to.

[George M. Purtill Member #28]

This is a very good thread that Ralph English started in 2012. I ran into it in the course of my Remington research.
The interesting thing for me is that NONE of these guns are Remington guns per se. Remington guns are thought to be 236531 and onwards. All of these so called transitional guns are before that.
However, what we have or at least I have learned is that there are no bright lines in Remington or Parker production.
Dates and serial numbers are estimates only. There is a lot of room on each side.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by George M. Purtill

This is a very good thread that Ralph English started in 2012. I ran into it in the course of my Remington research.
The interesting thing for me is that NONE of these guns are Remington guns per se. Remington guns are thought to be 236531 and onwards. All of these so called transitional guns are before that.
However, what we have or at least I have learned is that there are no bright lines in Remington or Parker production.
Dates and serial numbers are estimates only. There is a lot of room on each side.

I would suggest that these particular guns may have been those that had been started before the purchase/sale of the 'Parker Gun works' as part of the inventory of machinery, tools, parts, completed guns and uncompleted guns, and finished after Remington Arms ownership.

Notice that the butt plate on 236199 has the correct spur too.




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