Opinions, please.

[John Truitt]

Repros are allowed in the Spring and Fall Shoots. Just not to be used in the Parker/ Smith Challenge Event. But yes they can be used in all of the other competitions.
I have been told Parker Repros were not allowed in the Challenge because of Smith not having an equivalent repro. Something to do with some new guns having the smith name/ etc.

There is very detailed info on "legal"/ acceptable guns for the Challenge Event and for the general Fall and Spring shoots.

Everyone is in agreement that tube sets/ removable chamber devices and the like are not acceptable.

I would suggest everyone read the rules so there is no confusion. I think they are still up on a sticky. If not it can be searched. I had a very good discussion with Bill Kempler today. He suggested anyone with questions on equipment to give him a call to clear up any misunderstandings.
I have a call in to Rick Hemingway. I hope to hear from him on Thursday.

[William Davis]

Did a search on "Southern Rules" lots on the Challenge cup, well documented. Nothing on the Southern itself.

Like to see something in print.

William

[John Truitt]

Mr Davis,

I agree with you I cant find the general rules for the Fall or Spring Southern competitions.

I will keep looking and post a link if I can find them. They used to be readily accessible.

[Sam Ogle]

In my humble opinion; tubes should not be allowed. The former opinions of fellows here are correct in that for targets, a heavier gun which would have never been hunted with, then fitted with tubes would be an unfair advantage versus someone who was shooting an original gun. I recognize that some live pigeon and target guns were very heavy, and those of us who shoot trap & skeet realize that a gun way to heavy to carry in the field works great for clay targets.
I have a 16 gauge Sauer & Sohn hammer gun from about 1865-1870 era with Leupold Bernard Damascus barrels, which, while beautiful on the outside; are too pitted to shoot. I will put 28 Gauge Briley tubes in it. However, I would not consider it original, nor would I expect to shoot it in a competition. (Oh, dear Lord, to be so good as to make that a problem.)
I have a 32" 12 gauge #2 framed Parker. I shoot it pretty well, but I would not want to be allowed to shoot it in a Vintager match with .410 tubes.

This thread has been a wonderful example of the quality conversations, and the richness of opinions the Parker community has to offer.

[John Truitt]

I just got off the phone with Rick Hemingway from Backwoods Quail Club.

There is no restriction on gun weight for any gun or gauge. Period!!

Both Rick and Bill agree that tube sets are not allowed for the sub gauge events. However Rick did say that it is permitted to use a chamber reducer/ or tube set in the big bore events. For example: a ten gauge gun with 12 ga tube set or chamber reducer but must be shot in the ten gauge event. Or a 12 ga gun with 16 ga tube set must be shot in the 12 ga event. (12/20 etc, etc)

Repros are allowed for the competitions ,all of them, except for the Challenge Events (Parker vs LC Smith)

[C grade]

John
Thank you !
We now have the word
David

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by John Truitt

Repros are allowed in the Spring and Fall Shoots. Just not to be used in the Parker/ Smith Challenge Event. But yes they can be used in all of the other competitions.
I have been told Parker Repros were not allowed in the Challenge because of Smith not having an equivalent repro. Something to do with some new guns having the smith name/ etc.

There is very detailed info on "legal"/ acceptable guns for the Challenge Event and for the general Fall and Spring shoots.

Everyone is in agreement that tube sets/ removable chamber devices and the like are not acceptable.

I would suggest everyone read the rules so there is no confusion. I think they are still up on a sticky. If not it can be searched. I had a very good discussion with Bill Kempler today. He suggested anyone with questions on equipment to give him a call to clear up any misunderstandings.
I have a call in to Rick Hemingway. I hope to hear from him on Thursday.

What I am saying is that you can use a modified (sometimes highly) Parker in the Parker/Smith challenge but not a Repro, why ? Sounds to me a simple question....

[Tom McCoy]

New Guy here....Why not start with an opinion? Always a sure way to win friends.

Why would anyone want to do anything that might provide an unfair advantage... i.e. "cheat"? Just to get a damn trophy? C'mon !!!!!
Should a vintage auto racer be allowed to install a modern engine and modern brakes and compete against those with 50+ year old technology?
WE should do this for the fun and comraderie of the competition. I prefer bragging rights over trophies. Hopefully no one feels the need to win a trophy to have a good time.

Hey, don't ask if you don't wanna know....

I hope to make the Southern SxS for the first time this year.

Tom
Atlanta
(Parker AND LC Smith owner)

[John Truitt]

Mr McCoy,

I encourage you to come to the Southern. Hek come to both the Fall and the Spring. You will have a grand time.

You are correct and will find after spending time with these folks that we are all very enthusiastic and passionate about our Parkers/Smiths/ etc.

I know many of the guys who have commented on this thread and I can say that from my experience not a single one of them would knowingly or blatantly cheat or do something against the rules.

Please come joins us. Please look for me. You are welcome to check out my guns and give them a go if you would like.

[Tom McCoy]

Hey John,
I am working on making it. I would say the wife is about 75% convinced... of course that included a bribe with a spa somewhere. The biggest hurdle will be that 4 letter word... WORK.
I'm sure its a great group, and will be a lot of fun. I couldn't resist throwing my opinion in, and it certainly seems to be the consensus. As you said, I doubt anyone would knowingly cheat, rather, they may not be aware of the "etiquette" of the competition.
I will definitely try to locate you, shake your hand, and buy the first cold beer that night.

Thanks for the Southern Hospitality!!

Tom
Atlanta
Deo Vindice