Chaddic had one of the two know true 0000 frame guns. I did see pictures of it but not good ones, it only was 410 and 5lbs. About the other 33 guns you speak of, they are on 00 frames... end of story unless you can show pictures of the frame with no balls....I saw this or that but no pictures have ever shown up. Look back in the old threads, lots of speculation but never any real proof. Think about the 410 barrels, they are made to mate to 28ga. 00 frames. If the frame was little the barrels would hang out past the breach balls. It just can't work. oooo frame stand alone 410 never got past the one or two prototypes. Im real sure there is not 33 of them. Thanks all, SXS ohio
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