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jerry im shooting 3 inchhand loaded steel bb loads through my lc smith as of now...and have shot lot of steel bb loads through the parker 8 ga with stub twist steel barrels...they pattern well no harm done to barrels...the 12 lc smith will take ducks at 65 yards clean with 3 to 5 bbs hits in the duck all dead...steel bb s will kill that goose too and wo nt break the bank or harm the gun barrels if you use good wads...charlie....