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On the 12ga spec steel on the ten it has been ground off all that is left is steel as I said they have been sleeved on the watertable there is a 2 and a e on the barrels of the 12 there is a 2 on the lug and a 4/7 on the 10 there is a 2 on the lug and 13/5 all # match the ten has ivory beads but not the 12 I will try to get epics up soon