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It takes a much heavyer cast bullet to be effective at long ranges with these old guns. From 500grs to 650grs in 50cal. When the us military ran the first test in the 45/70 trapdoor the range was at 1700 yards (correct me if I am wrong) at 9' targets made of 2*4 pine boards with good penatration (as noted by the review board). They must have pointed the barrel up at least fourty five deg.
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