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well we got 5 more to go now you got me counting each deer...the 243 is one gun i ve never owned or shotquite a few people hunt with them around were i live.. i like the looks of the old 6mmswedish round the bullet looked like it was as long as the case..had a friend that dropped a lot of deer with a 6mm rem. mag.. i m looking for no 17 now.... charlie