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The lw pressure loads that I have came from published loads I found on the internet. I have not yet sent in membership to the low pressure group of the 16 ga society but do intend on doing so. I have been pretty happy with the loads I put earlier in this thread, but always willing to try more. Another 16 ga Damascus gun may be in my gunsafe by the end of this weekend--I cant help it, it is a disease. Now, if I can only find a hammer 16.