MBWT Data Comparisons (Damascus and Fluid)

[Drew Hause]

The 1907 Hunter Arms Chamber Specifications drawing shows the forcing cones as slightly less than 1/2" and a straight taper. The cone angle was shallower in the 1935 drawings with a length of about 5/8".

Austin Hogan stated that, at least early on, the Parker cones were cut at a Ogee rather than a simple taper; this illustration is obviously exaggerated. I've been looking for his posted WT numbers in my files without success.



Was this cone profile continued throughout production?

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Drew Hause

The 1907 Hunter Arms Chamber Specifications drawing shows the forcing cones as slightly less than 1/2" and a straight taper. The cone angle was shallower in the 1935 drawings with a length of about 5/8".

Austin Hogan stated that, at least early on, the Parker cones were cut at a Ogee rather than a simple taper; this illustration is obviously exaggerated. I've been looking for his posted WT numbers in my files without success.



Was this cone profile continued throughout production?

Austin’s research also indicated the chokes were cut (or bored) at an ofee as well and he believed from the many Parkers he examined that this practice continued until Remington cut the chokes at an angle rather than continue the more precise and labor intensive practice of cutting them at an ogee. I don’t know if this also applies to the chambers/cones.






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[mobirdhunter]

I have a 1904 CHE 16 O-frame gun. It weighs a smidgeon over 6 lbs. (research letter also indicates this weight). The unstruck barrel weight is 3 lbs 1 oz. Actual weight is 2 lbs. 8 oz. Its barrel measurements (Hosford gauge for wall thickness measurements) are:

R/L:
Bore -- .666.,665
MWT @ Chamber -- .098/.092
MWT @ 9" from breech -- .040/.042
MWT @ 9" from muzzle -- .025/.033
MWT -- .025/.031

[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Austin’s research also indicated the chokes were cut (or bored) at an ofee as well and he believed from the many Parkers he examined that this practice continued until Remington cut the chokes at an angle rather than continue the more precise and labor intensive practice of cutting them at an ogee. I don’t know if this also applies to the chambers/cones.

I had a complete set of Hayes’ choke reamers which were straight tapered.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Austin’s research also indicated the chokes were cut (or bored) at an ofee as well and he believed from the many Parkers he examined that this practice continued until Remington cut the chokes at an angle rather than continue the more precise and labor intensive practice of cutting them at an ogee. I don’t know if this also applies to the chambers/cones.






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Austin was meticulous in his plotting of the measurements of chambers, bores and chokes he measured. Here he supports his findings of forcing cones and chokes having been cut to an Ogee.

I took these picture of some of the pages in his notebook. You'll notice that most of them are identified with serial numbers and some are right into the 1920's.


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[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Weber

Edgar,
I would like you to share your numbers as well!

Parker, 28" DHE 16ga. 0 frame, Made in 1898. Wgt 6/6
Damascus; Unstruck wgt 3/7, Finished wgt 2/12
MWT, .024"R, .024"L
MWT 9" from Breech, .046"R, .045"L
MWT 9" from Muzzle, .025"R, .024"L
MWT-Chamber, .095"R, .099"L
MWT-FC, .104"R, .107"L
Bore, .666"R (must be Satanic Steel), .665L

I'll double check these later, rule out my hand tremor.

[Dean Weber]

I should also add.....one is Meriden and one is Remington. A change of philosophy?

[Dean Romig]

I have a few 0-frame 16’s as well including hammerless, a T/A hammer and a Lifter as well. I’ll try to get some measurements and post them here.

The Lifter has the Parker-made Laminated barrels.



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[Dean Romig]

Well there ya go.... again we disagree.

Can't argue with you on that point but neither can I argue with Austin's research data.....





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[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

Well there ya go.... again we disagree.

Can't argue with you on that point but neither can I argue with Austin's research data.....

I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I merely said I had a set of James Hayes choke reamers which are straight tapered. They also are dated if I recall. The current custodian can confirm, if he wishes.