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Charlie, I have all the "stuff" needed to shoot my two 8s, hammerless P, and a hammered V equivalent, but just don't get around to do it anymore. They are fun guns, though. I have CM cnc manufactured brass and Ballistic Research wads, cups, and cards to use---but they stand idle. Most of my shooting today is with a 1 framed damascus G (12) and a20 GHE.