Any of us own CSMC Fox guns or want too?

[SXS OHIO]

COB and Opening Day, Those Fox guns are spectacular! I really like what they are, Special! They give us pride of ownership of wood and metal all working as one functional shotgun. We might sit while taking a break on a long grouse hunt and just look at the engraving,wood and hi quality workmanship. These new Fox guns are not up-grades or knock offs....they are the real deal made by the new owners of the A.H. Fox gun company. This is only new chapter in a long ongoing book of sportsmen, dogs and gun. I am very happy to have a CSMC Fox in my sporting life, it fits well! thanks all...SXS ohio

[Mills]

I understand the CSMC Foxes have more hand finishing than the Parker Repros. The Repros have essentially no hand finishing, as I understand correctly. The Repros aren't bad guns, though, and I am the proud owner of one

[C.O.B.]

I don't think comparing a reproduction Parker that cost $2500 new and a CSMC Fox that cost $30,000 new for a similar grade is a fair comparison.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Rich Anderson

I don't think comparing a reproduction Parker that cost $2500 new and a CSMC Fox that cost $30,000 new for a similar grade is a fair comparison.

And you certainly can't compare the $2,500 of thirty years ago with an equal dollar value of today and then match it against $30K.

Never the less, The CSMC Fox guns are far superior, in finish only, than the Parker Reproductions. As far as manufacturing and grade of steels used, they are probably about equal... but the Parker Repro has a great deal more machine processes required to manufacture it.

Durability and dependability goes to the CSMC Fox of course.

Let's not forget either, the niche market name of CSMC Fox and the specialized market they advertise and sell to. Mr. Skeuese was trying to make the Parker (reproduction) affordable to the average shooter/hunter. I don't think Tony uses the same marketing model.

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

And you certainly can't compare the $2,500 of thirty years ago with an equal dollar value of today and then match it against $30K.

Never the less, The CSMC Fox guns are far superior, in finish only, than the Parker Reproductions. As far as manufacturing and grade of steels used, they are probably about equal... but the Parker Repro has a great deal more machine processes required to manufacture it.

Durability and dependability goes to the CSMC Fox of course.

Let's not forget either, the niche market name of CSMC Fox and the specialized market they advertise and sell to. Mr. Skeuese was trying to make the Parker (reproduction) affordable to the average shooter/hunter. I don't think Tony uses the same marketing model.

Dean you are absolutely right and that was what I was trying to say in m last post, for the dollar today, a $4500 Repro is just about the best side by side you can buy today, period. The CSMC Fox is an entirely different animal.

[Mike of the Mountain]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

And you certainly can't compare the $2,500 of thirty years ago with an equal dollar value of today and then match it against $30K.

Never the less, The CSMC Fox guns are far superior, in finish only, than the Parker Reproductions. As far as manufacturing and grade of steels used, they are probably about equal... but the Parker Repro has a great deal more machine processes required to manufacture it.

Durability and dependability goes to the CSMC Fox of course.

Let's not forget either, the niche market name of CSMC Fox and the specialized market they advertise and sell to. Mr. Skeuese was trying to make the Parker (reproduction) affordable to the average shooter/hunter. I don't think Tony uses the same marketing model.

I'd say, just for numbers sake, that CSMC fetch $30K per gun, and suppose the profit is $5K range per gun, his volume can be a heck of a lot lower and still turn the same profit as selling higher volumes of guns for $4500 and making $500/ea. Definitely a different niche, and not a bad business plan.

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by Mills Morrison

I understand the CSMC Foxes have more hand finishing than the Parker Repros. The Repros have essentially no hand finishing, as I understand correctly. The Repros aren't bad guns, though, and I am the proud owner of one

Mills, that's not a fair comparison, the Repros were machine made, the Foxes are basically hand fitted or made. The stocking is hand done, the fitting is hand done the engraving is totally hand done. Also if you notice Tony does not promote the Fox guns as much as his others ie Model 21 because they cost much more to build due to all the hand work required.

[Wild Skies]

Which one offers the better value, or isn't that a fair comparison? Ooops, we'd better forget that, as it's probably not a fair question.

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by Greg Baehman

Which one offers the better value, or isn't that a fair comparison? Ooops, we'd better forget that, as it's probably not a fair question.

No Greg, you have a valid point, in terms of the best bang for the buck, I would choose the Parker Repro. But to buy a gun that has heart and soul I guess I have to go to the CSMC Fox. I look at these guns the same as I look at my original Parkers.

[Mills]

Originally Posted by Eric Eis

Mills, that's not a fair comparison, the Repros were machine made, the Foxes are basically hand fitted or made. The stocking is hand done, the fitting is hand done the engraving is totally hand done. Also if you notice Tony does not promote the Fox guns as much as his others ie Model 21 because they cost much more to build due to all the hand work required.

That is what I was trying to say. I understand the CSMC Foxes are made pretty much like they were in the old days