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Hi Unregistered,
On July 29th, this site will be moving..! No, really - it's "moving" to another physical location - including servers, gateways, routers - everything - including my coffee cup...
So, from the date of July 29th through July 30 or 31 (shooting for these dates, but - as always, I'm at the mercy of my ISP who has to install the lines to the new location - and we actually get them running ;) ). But - this site, cloud servers and main web will be OFF LINE.
Now, please save these dates!! Please - don't be "that guy" who emails me on the 30th to tell me you "can't open the Parker Website". I'll already know it is offline - and also know that you are "that guy"...
I'll take this notice up and down over the next week or so - and leave it up during the final few days before shutting it off on the 29th..
John D.
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02-06-2015, 12:22 PM
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While I am a dawg fan I'll have to disagree with you on that one. There THOUSANDS of "famous" people in the world nowadays that make millions of dollars and I'm sure I wouldn't want a pair of shoes that MJ's wife wore. However, if I were a painting collector and I found a painting that had been in the Gates household or Buffet household ,whether he or his wife purchased it , it would be very ,very cool. I don't come from a well off family but I have to believe that just being an Astor back in the 20's was much bigger than being a celebrity today. Even if Vincent didn't buy the gun himself, it was still in his household for a period of time and I wouldn't be surprised if he shot it himself. Its speculation but for all we know he could have told her to pick it up. I honestly believe there was way more of a chance of a presidential figure handling that gun once Frelinghuysen bought it than when Ms. Astor had it. The Senator was kicking around a lot with past ,present and future presidents back in that time frame. Either way, find me another 28g a 00 frame that was owned by the Astor family 
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02-07-2015, 07:27 AM
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The eternal question: How much value does provenance add to a gun? Answer: Depends. Some names certainly add value, i.e. Oakley, Roosevelt, Gable, Bogart. However, just because it was owned or handled by a once rich or famous person doesn't automatically mean extra change. I spent much time and money researching one such fellow. Published a book and sold about 1000 copies. Perhaps I added a dollar or two to the value of the Kimble guns (in the right market) but in most eyes they are still just run of the mill Parkers at best. And there are at least two of us on this board that have in our collections a number of guns with well owned provenance (Brother Murphy). It's worth keeping in mind that value isn't only measured in dollars and cents. Sometimes it's best measured in rich history and the dividends earned through discovering it.
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