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nice little gun.rarely seen for sure.ive seen the 16 ga about 15 years ago guy wanted 400 dollars...time i decided to get it it was gone...even seen a 8 ga hammerless on the internet several years back i was just 3 months to late it was a nice gun went for 1500..i still choke up on missing the 8 ga...im like you i like my guns in there natural state if they are in fair shape...i have a real nice ds grade 20 but these are fairly common... charlie