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that 14 ga brass shells in a size were the same as 12 b brass shells....I did not know this till I seen a box of Remington brass shells stating this on the box...unfortunally the box is empty...a 12 b shell is very hard yo come by in the collecting world...only one I ever seen for sale they wanted 300 dollars for it....this box is on wards auctions if any body wants to see this statement...charlie
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