First 00 frame.

[Jack Murphy JR]

What Year was the first 00 frame Parker made ?
Do we know it’s serial number or it’s approximation.
I should rephrase the question. When did the 00 frame become the standard frame on the 28 gauge
Thanks Jack.

[mobirdhunter]

Good question. Anxious to read the response.

[Jim DiSpagno]

I believe it was a 20 ga.lifter and was around 1879 or 80

[Dean Hanson]

My 1879 lifter 20 is ohh so close to an 00 frame.... I agree with Jim.

[mobirdhunter]

So were those guns mentioned stamped 00? Or just measured to the frame size?

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Garry L Gordon

So were those guns mentioned stamped 00? Or just measured to the frame size?

No, those early 20 gauge Lifters were not stamped with a frame size and the measurement between firing pin centers was actually a bit smaller than the published dimensions of the 28 gauge guns that were stamped 00 on the lug.





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[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

No, those early 20 gauge Lifters were not stamped with a frame size and the measurement between firing pin centers was actually a bit smaller than the published dimensions of the 28 gauge guns that were stamped 00 on the lug.

It took me a while, Dean, but I found the pictures of the barrel set, 6999, which was one of the 20ga "small frame" guns. I no longer have them, but last I heard, the member who bought them from me was fitting them to Austin's 'small' gun. The picture I was looking for, and found showed my trammel calipers indicating .901" between centers, so roughly 1/32" smaller than the dimension which became the 00 frame centers. That gun must have been a joy to carry.
Interesting fact about 6999. It was originally a two barrel set, one being 20ga. SxS, the other being, If memory serves, .44WCF in the left and 20ga. in the right.

[Bruce Hering]

[QUOTE=edgarspencer;
Interesting fact about 6999. It was originally a two barrel set, one being 20ga. SxS, the other being, If memory serves, .44WCF in the left and 20ga. in the right.[/QUOTE]

Now that is a neat set of barrels. I wonder what the owner used them for....

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by edgarspencer

It took me a while, Dean, but I found the pictures of the barrel set, 6999, which was one of the 20ga "small frame" guns. I no longer have them, but last I heard, the member who bought them from me was fitting them to Austin's 'small' gun. The picture I was looking for, and found showed my trammel calipers indicating .901" between centers, so roughly 1/32" smaller than the dimension which became the 00 frame centers. That gun must have been a joy to carry.
Interesting fact about 6999. It was originally a two barrel set, one being 20ga. SxS, the other being, If memory serves, .44WCF in the left and 20ga. in the right.

Edgar, you made reference here to "Austin's small gun" and I was wondering if Austin had more than one 20 gauge hammer gun?

The only one I'm aware of his ever owning one was from his story in Parker Pages Vol. 16, Issue 1, page 36, "A Tiny, Scarce and Interesting Parker Gun" serial number 17448 - is there another?





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[Dean Hanson]

Frame size determined by later Parker knowledge, measurements ... stamping of frame size was not evident until the early "80's....