interesting gun

[charlie cleveland]

there is a gun on gunbroker that real interesting has a lot of issues but still of interest as a shooter..the auction no is 296466447 this gun is listed as a d grade which it is but its listed as a 12 ga with 3 1/2 inch chambers no 3 frame 9 lbs of weight...stock has lots of issues but what gets me it looks like the old gun came factory as a 10 ga..look at the britch end also the weight on barrels are 6.6 mighty heavy for a 12 ga ...i believe she was a 10 ga when she was first made and now shes a 3 1/2 inch chambered 12 ga...what do yall think...the serial no of the gun is 85555 ...would make a fine turkey gun or a top notch duck gun in my book...whats yalls opinion on this gun... charlie

[Dave Suponski]

85555 is in the book as a Grade 3 10 gauge with 32" barrels and a pistol grip stock.

[George M. Purtill]

Some people should not be allowed to own Parkers.
I've been looking for a D grade hammerless 10 gauge and this makes one less available.

[Brian Dudley]

Yup... 10g. that was monoblocked into a 12g.

[Bill Murphy]

George, I am lucky. My D Grade ten was a #3 frame 12 before it was sleeved at Lefever to a 3 1/2" ten gauge. I guess that evens things out.

[Pete Lester]

For fast reference:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=296466447

[George M. Purtill]

George, I am lucky. My D Grade ten was a #3 frame 12 before it was sleeved at Lefever to a 3 1/2" ten gauge. I guess that evens things out.

In sort of a cosmic way, yeah thats even.

[Mark Ouellette]

A $3000 Parker reduced in value to darn near ZERO!!!

[Brian Dudley]

I wonder what the Gold "I" is for on it. Maybe it is a "1".

Are there maybe multiples of these out there?

[Rick Losey]

I wonder what the Gold "I" is for on it. Maybe it is a "1".

Are there maybe multiples of these out there?

A matched set like this????

:shock:

[charlie cleveland]

boys i think this would make a ideal gun...barrels would cost about 3000 to get fixed to a 3 1/2 inch chambers plus got thin wall screw in chokes...weights real good at 9 lbs...i think this thing is a bet for a good shooter and its a parker too boot...how many 3 1/2 inch side by siges do you know of....ive got that oldstevens i rechambered myself to 3 1/2 but this is a d grade parker heh one i bet dudly could fix up that old stock in no time...maybe its just me but this old gun could be some kinda huntin gun...sure its a shame shes not origanal but nows shes ready for magnum ammo or anything you want to put through her... surely im not the only one that can see beyound her scars and ugly... charlie

[Richard Flanders]

Holy cow. The breeches! You could front stuff that baby with dynamite and dump in a cup of shot and it wouldn't blow! Speaking of which, anyone remember when Turner Kirkland who founded Dixie Gun Works, took a stout .50cal I seem to remember black powder rifle, dumped in a huge load of black powder then filled the entire barrel right to the muzzle with round balls and touched her off as a test of strength and to maybe bust myths Sherman style. Didn't hurt a thing. They all just went downrange and the barrel was undamaged. Impressive. Would that be fun or what?

[calvin humburg]

I always say who gives two craps what other guys think. It would make a great ol workhorse. Now with that said there are people that I value there opinion very much. And I'm not refering to any poster on this thread. There I think I got my post very left wing because I sure wouldn't want to upset anybody. And if you buy that I'll through the golden gate in free.

[Brian Dudley]

Charlie,

I do agree with you, though it has it's flaws from a collector standpoint, it could be a very attractive shooter. The perfect chance for someone to carry a graded Parker in the field without breaking the bank.

[dwight pugh]

It would make a good " foul weather " gun for sure...did ya'll notice the also for sale GH 3 barrel set ?

ddp

[Dave Suponski]

Maybe I just don't get it. But why would anyone want to run 3 1/2" shells through a 100 year old SxS. Many on here have proven that alot of game can be taken with alot less. If a body wants to use 3 1/2" shell buy a gas gun and have at it.

[charlie cleveland]

just dont like the autos or pumps and i dont know of a company thatsbuilds a 3 1/2 inch side by side...yep im one of them that would run 3 1/2 inch through a 100 year old gun... charlie

[Bill Murphy]

I think the retail price to sleeve my gun at Lefever was about $250. It is a very neat job and a great alternative to an original Parker mag ten. I bought it at a VA gun show about five years ago.

[charlie cleveland]

bill reckon how far 250 would go today toward a sleeve job...i bet it would just about cover the whacking off of the tubes...tell us about this gun of yours again bill... charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Charlie, I was sitting at table at a VA gun show, and a dealer I know came by with an original looking big D grade Parker with blue barrels. Turned out to be a #3 frame gun with skeleton butt and heavy ten gauge sleeved barrels marked "Lefever Steel" on the rib. The lettering looked like it had been roll stamped at Parker Brothers. My friend said he knew it wasn't an original gun so the price was realistic. I didn't care what the price was, I was going to buy that gun. The sleeve job was wonderful and the water table was marked 3 1/2". I was buying a mag ten Parker for the price of a VH 12. I don't know what it weighs, but it's probably about 10-4. When I weigh it, I'll let you know how close I guessed. The gun letters as a 12 gauge 32" heavy Damascus gun. I still have a stash of 3 1/2" paper ten gauge lead that I should shoot in it some day. It has not killed game because I have other tens that I haven't worn out yet. It doesn't seem to have been in the field since it left Lefever.

[charlie cleveland]

bill the old gal deserves a breath of fresh air...take her hunting soon if nothing else try her at the 70 yard line with a paper plate as a target...with no 6 shot if you can..boy do i like talking and hearing about these old big guns.... charlie

[Brian Dudley]

When I was at the last gun show in Syracuse, I picked up 3 Parkers to look at that ended up being monoblocked. Very good jobs. A couple were reasonably priced for the condition and grade as shooters. I was just surprised at how many I came across in just a few isles of walking.

[Bill Murphy]

Probably a good number of Lefever sleeve jobs were done for locals. Can you tell us whether these guns had Parker ribs and what the roll stamp markings were?

[Kevin McCormack]

I wonder what the Gold "I" is for on it. Maybe it is a "1".

Are there maybe multiples of these out there?

It's an 'I' and it stands for Idiot - there couldn't be any more of these out there (could there?).

[George M. Purtill]

It's an 'I' and it stands for Idiot - there couldn't be any more of these out there (could there?).
Thanks Kevin-
You know......
I know we are supposed to be positive on this forum, but when i see people who post and want to RESTORE a perfectly livable/shootable/collectible Parker and they ask our advice i want to scream.
I wish i had the power of imminent domain on undeserving owners.

DO NO HARM. That should be our motto.
I'm sorry- i'm too old to be politically correct. I will crawl back in my cave now.

[John Truitt]

Mr. Murphy,

Please consider bringing that D grade ten you speak of to the Fall Southern. I would very much like to see that gun.

[calvin humburg]

Kevin George who are you calling an idiot. Make your posts clearer. From what I read your the idiot's I don't think anybody said anything about restoring the gun? Oh to bad the worlds people do not have your large brains we would not be in the trouble were in. Ditto my first post to all you swells

[Brian Dudley]

Probably a good number of Lefever sleeve jobs were done for locals. Can you tell us whether these guns had Parker ribs and what the roll stamp markings were?

I do not speicfically recall if all of them had parker ribs. I do not remember seeing mismatched ribs jumping out at me.

[Bill Murphy]

Brian, I attend an enormous number of shows in the DC and PA every year and don't see a nice sleeved Parker once in five years. A good Lefever sleeved gun is a piece of double gun history. My DH is the first Lefever magnum ten I have ever seen or heard of.

[charlie cleveland]

it sure is the first one ive ever heard of too... bill maybe some day the rest of us guys will get to see this fabled gun espically me... charlie