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William Maynard
11-26-2022, 03:19 PM
Drahthaars and D Grade Lifting.
Been some time since I posted here on the PGCA forum.
About 10 years to be exact. During that time I had to put my Springer Spaniel, "Benny" down last summer due to old age. A tuff day.....to say the least... and for us dog owners I dont need to go into details about a hunter and their bond with their gun dog. A good many pheasants over the years flew into the big grassy field in the sky due to Benny and my trusty VHE.
There is a new chapter now. I have a new hunting buddy "Baron", a Deutsch Drahthaar and a sweet D Grade lifter. This year is Barons first hunting season and we have already filled the fridge with pheasants. Again, this morning we hit the fields but, this time I opened the soft cover and slid out the new to me D Grade Lifter. Excitement raced through my veins as I loaded 2.5 inch, #6 shot Spreader loads into the 12 Ga. chambers and off we went. Headed into the very fields were Benny and I once hunted. This time, Baron leading the way. A rookie who already has proven himself. The bell around his neck ringing in the crisp morning air as he makes his criss cross patterns in front of me. Turning once and awhile to look and to make sure he stays within range. His breath already forming ice crystals on his beard. There is a thin white frost covering the brush and long grass in the fields this morning. Almost making it look like snow. Small birds fluttering from twig to twig. The leaves and grass make a crunching sound with every step I take. While enjoying the walk and taking in my surroundings I suddenly see Baron's tail begin to wag furiously and his body takes on that low profile as he circles and works to pinpoint the location of our game. With much determination Baron locks up on point, waiting patiently as I get into position and ever so slowly and gently cock back the right side hammer till I hear that "clicking" sound locking it into place. With my heart pounding and Barons anticipation, I give the command, "Flush it". As he charges forward a pheasant hen busts out of the brush at an alarming rate of speed. I shoulder my Lifter and for the first time during a hunt looking down this set of damascus barrels, steadying the bead just under the hen and squeezing the front trigger. The right barrel from the D Grade barks with a slight nudge against my shoulder. I see a puff of feathers and the pheasant's flight is cut short as it crumples and crashes to the ground. The slight smell of burnt gun powder hovers in the air as Baron proudly returns with our trophy and sets it down in front of me. I pat him on the head and give him a, "That a boy". I gently pick up our harvested game and place it in the back pouch of my hunting vest and off we go. One more hen pheasant will fall this morning to this ritual and the "Double Ds".
Walking back to the truck after Baron and I's hunt. My hunting vest is slightly weighted down. The Parker broken open and resting on my shoulder. The spent "hulls" jiggling in my pocket. As I walk past the pond to my right I notice a slight mist rising out of the water. A squirrel on the side collecting nuts. The sun is slightly higher now burning off the morning frost. I take a moment to reflect, not only on todays hunt but on my past hunts. The friends and relatives which I shared these events with. Some are no longer here. The good hunts and the bad. As we age hunting buddies will come and go. It's just a cycle we all must go through. I am walking up the final hillside before the dirt parking lot, Baron at my side trying to smell the pheasants through my vest. I am cradling and admiring my new Parker As I take another deep breath of the cool morning air, I wonder who else has carried this shotgun into the fields the last 148 years and what stories could it tell? I have just given it one more.

Stan Hoover
11-26-2022, 03:57 PM
Very great read and beautiful pictures William,
Your tribute to Benny is awesome, reminds me that Brittany is soon to be 10, and I fear that last hunt is only a few years away.
Please write some more,
Stan

Garry L Gordon
11-26-2022, 04:00 PM
William, sorry about the loss of your Benny, but glad to see you have a new chapter in your life. It's also nice to read someone's words that notices all of the "little" things that make a hunt. You'll be glad you wrote it all down.

Thanks for sharing your hunt.

Dean Romig
11-26-2022, 08:08 PM
A very touching memorial.

The Lifter pictured isn’t a D grade but is at least a B.





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William Maynard
11-26-2022, 09:08 PM
Hello Dean, looks like I am going to have to change the title of my hunting story. I am glad you chimed in. I had the privilege of meeting you up at Major Waldrons several years back for a Parker New Years Day shoot. I was told it was a D grade. I will have to post some close up pictures. Maybe this will help and I can have alittle better understanding of what I have here. I had been in the search for a lifter for some time now.

Dean Romig
11-27-2022, 04:36 AM
I remember meeting you there Bill.

I would highly recommend you order a research letter on your lifter.
Some of these high grade guns have very interesting provenance - possibly ordered by a famous person. A letter will support the exact grade and depending on the year made may identify it as a “dollar quality” rarher than a grade letter or number.





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William Maynard
11-27-2022, 07:15 AM
Just so happens I have a letter. Unfortunately the records do not indicate grade. Serial number lists as a manufacture date of 1874 but letter says it was ordered 1877 ? Also, would the price indicate an $80 dollar grade ? I would be interested in anyone's opinion. Please do not hesitate to jump in.

William Maynard
11-27-2022, 11:46 AM
Enclosing several pictures I took this morning to help identify the grade. Opinions and facts are much appreciated.

charlie cleveland
11-27-2022, 02:21 PM
great hunt with a nice lifterand a great hunting pal....sorry about your friend and companion....great memories.....charlie

Dean Romig
11-27-2022, 07:54 PM
3231 is certainly not a $75.00 quality gun. The level of frame and bolster sculpting, the level of engraving and checkering are certainly that of the equivalent of the B or even the A grade. We would like to see a clear picture of the stampings on the barrel flats in order to possibly make a better determination.

Often the sell price of the gun reflects a deep discount given by Parker Bros. The fact that the buyer was a resident of Meriden might even support the discount theory as Mr. Hill may have been known to members of the Parker Family or he may have been someone the Parkers had done business with.





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William Maynard
11-27-2022, 08:37 PM
Many thanks for taking the time to help in this Lifter's Identity. I have enclosed a clear picture of the barrel flats. Looks to be an "L" possibly engraved.

Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 08:06 AM
The barrels are clearly Damascus and the letter stamped in that location is in reference to the barrel steel. An L would be for Laminated Steel barrels so it shouldn’t be an L but ought to be a D.

Unless I’m not seeing correctly, it looks like other stamps have been ground out with a very small grinding wheel…. Please tell me I’m wrong…

I have a 4-digit 10-gauge D Lifter with Damascus barrels that I’ll get out of the safe and compare and post pictures here.



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Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 08:39 AM
This my 10-gauge 3-frame Damascus Grade-3 (D) Lifter no. 5949.
This gun has typical engraving, D-grade bolster sculpting, drop points and checkering of the period.


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Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 08:41 AM
Serial number and top rib legend…


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Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 08:44 AM
Barrel flats showing the D for the barrel steel, the pre-struck barrel weight of 4 lbs., 10 oz., the 4-digit order number and the 3 above it indicating the grade of the gun.

Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 08:48 AM
Please note the lbs. stamp on my barrels of 4 - Parker Bros used that chipped die for over a decade and I suspect the die for your ‘D’ may have become chipped right at the 2 o’clock position on the D’s bow… ?





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William Maynard
11-28-2022, 09:02 AM
The barrels a definitely Damascus and that very well could be a "D". On the end of the lug it looks like there could be some light grinding mark's. There is no serial number on the end of the trigger guard ???

Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 09:14 AM
How about a serial number on the side of the barrel lug?

Here are two pictures of another D Lifter I have but with the Parker-made Laminated Steel barrels, hence the P in the location for barrel steel stamp.

Also note the two different 4 dies used, each with a chipped section.


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William Maynard
11-28-2022, 09:41 AM
I am not home at the moment but when I get there I will take a look. I am pretty sure I looked on the sides of the lug and did not see a number. I see were you are going. Maybe the barrels were replaced??? How about the serial number not appearing on the trigger guard, is something you have run into before ?

Dean Romig
11-28-2022, 09:59 AM
No, I don’t believe the barrels were replaced but rather believe some previous owner and uninformed individual thought tha stamps were conflicting somehow, so he removed them… maybe?

And I believe your Parker is a very nice, very special high grade Parker and is nothing to be ashamed of.



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William Maynard
11-28-2022, 03:55 PM
Ok Dean, I was able to locate the serial # on the barrel lug. You are right! The barrels are correct and do go with the shotgun. I have enclosed a picture. Now, the question I have. What would possess someone to take a grinder or dremel tool, whatever they used and grind off the numbers on the barrel flats destroying the value of a high grade Parker shotgun ??? Its a great gun. Locks up tight, stock is in great condition. Functions like it should.

Dean Romig
11-29-2022, 12:18 AM
I believe whoever did that did so because he didn’t understand the significance of the various stamps or even in fact what they indicated to more knowledgable students of the Parker gun and therefor they confused him.
There is no way of ever knowing what those stamps were, other than the original order number which Chuck can probably retrieve for you.





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William Maynard
11-29-2022, 07:56 AM
Dean,
I sent you a PM

Mike Franzen
12-08-2022, 05:24 AM
The letter states SN 3231 was Ordered in March of 1877 but that SN reflects a date of 1874. This is a gun that makes one think. I’m hesitant to even comment what I think. Maybe Gary Carmichael will see this and weigh in. Regardless WIlliam it’s a great gun and you story was a great read. The next time you feel compelled to write something like that send it to the editors of the Parker Pages.
Could you post a clear picture of the trigger guard showing the area where the serial number should be please?

William Maynard
12-08-2022, 08:28 AM
Mike,
I have written a few stories that appeared in the Parker Pages. I just have not written in sometime do to my work schedule which got alittle crazy for awhile but has since slowed. When I checked the serial # I did notice the year 1874 and I did notice the letter states year of order as 1877 which seemed odd?? The trigger guard area where the serial No. Should appear does not look like it was ever stamped. There are no grinding marks etc. Like it was removed. I am interested in what you are thinking or opinions.

Dean Romig
12-08-2022, 10:44 PM
I once owner Parker shotgun No. 149020 which was manufactured in 1908 but wasn’t originally ordered until 1912, so it is possible even where there is no recorded reason why the lapse occurred.

We would love to see a better face on picture of of the surface of your trigger guard strap where the serial number would have been engraved. Would also like to see the underside of the trigger guard where the serial number would have been stamped.



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Gary Carmichael Sr
12-09-2022, 09:21 AM
Dean and William, I believe that Parker made some of these early lifters for inventory or for showing at shows and sold later My 20 gauge Damascus lifter 4634 was completed November 11 1874 that according to stock book #2 The order # listed in the stock book is 5483 The order book is missing, The letter does not say who the gun was made for or when it was sold or who to. The late Mr Austin Hogan thought it had a connection to Grover Cleveland,The next notation states that the gun was returned March 3 1900 by William Wagner in Washington DC to fit new 20 ga Damascus brls 28" 2-3/4 chambers full choke re brown old barrels pictures of the gun can be found under"Hunting With Parkers" Blog Unusual engraving. Again the only reason I think that Parker would spend the money for these high grade guns would be for display by salesmen and showing at different venues, just my two cents, Gary

Gary Carmichael Sr
12-09-2022, 09:28 AM
Pictures of the gun is under engravers and engraving "unusual engraving" not under hunting with Parkers my bad Gary

Dean Romig
12-09-2022, 03:19 PM
I agree Gary.





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