NO LEAD, NO POWDER AVAILABLE

[paul stafford jr]

our club in Michigan is out of all shotgun powder. but we do have some rifle powder left. we might not get more till the end of the summer. if you can find what you need buy it.

[Mills Morrison]

Julia heard an ugly rumor today that shotgun shells are due for yet another price increase. I went on RST's website to load up and they were out of stock of everything I normally get from them. Julia went online to order some of her shells and her supplier was out too.

[Pete Lester]

Julia heard an ugly rumor today that shotgun shells are due for yet another price increase. I went on RST's website to load up and they were out of stock of everything I normally get from them. Julia went online to order some of her shells and her supplier was out too.

It would seem to me that as shooters who reload run out of and can't find powder they will turn to shooting factory loaded shells, increasing the demand for factory loaded shells. This will probably worsen and prolong the bulk powder shortage as the big ammo makers get priority for powder and will need more of it. This could be a viscious cycle for a time to come.

[Mills Morrison]

It already is a vicious cycle and looks to be getting worse.

[John Campbell]

No need to worry. Homeland Security just by itself recently ordered 704 million rounds. If my math is close, that would be enough to fight WWII for about a week. Worldwide.

Add in the other govt agency orders and... you need a few train loads of powder.

I feel safer already...

[edgarspencer]

Does it bother anyone else that Homeland Security feels it needs that amount of ammunition? What are they preparing themselves for?

[Eric Eis]

Does it bother anyone else that Homeland Security feels it needs that amount of ammunition? What are they preparing themselves for?

And also why are our tax dollars being spent this way...........:eek: :cuss: :crying:

[Mills Morrison]

I was not too pleased when they created the Department of Homeland Security in the first place. Don't we have enough law enforcement agencies already?

[John Campbell]

I was not too pleased when they created the Department of Homeland Security in the first place. Don't we have enough law enforcement agencies already?

The audience here might care to visit Wikipedia. Then put "gestapo" into the search box. In part, you will learn this:


“As part of the deal in which Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, Hermann Göring—future commander of the Luftwaffe and an influential Nazi Party official—was named Interior Minister of Prussia. This gave him command of the largest police force in Germany. Soon afterward, Göring detached the political and intelligence sections from the police and filled their ranks with Nazis. On 26 April 1933, Göring merged the two units as the Gestapo…


“Göring himself urged Hitler to extend the agency's authority throughout Germany. This represented a radical departure from German tradition, which held that law enforcement was (mostly) a Land (state) and local matter.”

Any of this sound familiar?

[Mills Morrison]

What gets me is the people getting hurt in this whole thing are small suppliers like RST and people like us who want to perpetuate vintage guns and good sportsmanship. If they want to go after the bad guys, good, go after the bad guys, but leave us alone

[Mills Morrison]

RST does have some shells available, so I loaded up.

12 gauge Nice Shot is in, so I got a few boxes of that too. Their supplies of Nice Shot were tight last season

[paul stafford jr]

all I can say is I hope things change after the next election

[Dean Romig]

And the Pope's new campaign for a worldwide "legitimate redistribution of wealth."???
What ever happened to the "separation of church and state"? :shock:

[Mills Morrison]

And the Pope's new campaign for a worldwide "legitimate redistribution of wealth."???
What ever happened to the "separation of church and state"? :shock:


That is EXACTLY what the founding fathers had in mind to avoid when they put separation of church and state in the Constitution.

[Mills Morrison]

I am not convinced it is all politicians and smell big ammo companies trying to run the small guys out of business.

[John Campbell]

The precise phrase in the 1st Amendment reads:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

It contains no mention of "redistribution of wealth."

Still, a Pope and his faith hold more wealth in the Vatican and worldwide than anyone can know. Doesn't charity begin "at home"?

BTW, Ballistic Products has Fiocchi and Winchester cartridges on SALE.

[Rick Losey]

the phrase separation of church and state was embodied in US law by a Supreme Court decision in1947.

i've been lucky in finding what powder I have been looking for most of the time lately. One of the bigger shops I stop at tells me Clays should be back in production later this summer.

[Dean Romig]

Not to belabor a 'conspiracy theory' but I just read where FEMA and DHS attempted to buy up the entire supply of Survival Food produced by the Food4Patriots company and it leaves me wondering about their motives....?

[Robin Lewis]

Not to belabor a 'conspiracy theory' but I just read where FEMA and DHS attempted to buy up the entire supply of Survival Food produced by the Food4Patriots company and it leaves me wondering about their motives....?

Just one of many strange things going on? FEMA & DHS buying food that will last almost as long as a Twinke could make some logical reason. At least that can be used if another natural disaster puts thousands in shelters.

But why does the United States Postal Service (USPS) need ammo? There are others buying large amounts of ammo that seem more than a little odd too! Social Security!?:shock: I'm living on Social Security and I don't think they are going to provide me protection services.

Business Week wrote that "On April 14, 2014 Newsmax reported that the USPS was seeking to buy a large amount of ammunition on the heels of similar purchases by the Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."

I'm still looking for a supply of .22 ammo. I see a little more ammo on the shelves but not what I need.:banghead:

[John Campbell]

HUGE ammo buys by " Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration." ???

I give the members of this organisation more credit than that. Ask yourself these questions;

Why does the SS administration need ammunition? Malevolent retirees?
Why does the UDSA need ammunition? Enraged pigs and cows?
Why does the NOAA need ammunition? Shamu gone wild?
Has the government ever lied to you? Think "Benghazi."

To hell with .22 LR. I want .50 BMG...

[Pete Lester]

Just to add to the discussion, one of the managers at the Kittery Trading Post mentioned to me recently that although ammunition and reloading supplies sales increased 800 to 1000 percent in the last year sales of gun cleaning supplies are down 30%. His conclusion, customers are buying lots of ammo, powder and primers etc. and not shooting their guns.

[Dean Romig]

That's a good bet.

[Pete Lester]

It seems to me manufacturers and retailers will have to raise prices in order to bring some equilibrium back to the market by discourageing hoarders. Quite sad the powder situation has come to this and these auctions show how crazy it continues to be.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=415370263

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=414474715

[Frank Cronin]

It seems to me manufacturers and retailers will have to raise prices in order to bring some equilibrium back to the market by discourageing hoarders. Quite sad the powder situation has come to this and these auctions show how crazy it continues to be.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=415370263

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=414474715

After all this madness, will they lower the prices? Probably not unfortunately.

[Dean Romig]

That is simply insane and I do NOT believe those auctions to be legitimate.

[John Campbell]

Heck. I've got a pound of Unique that I will let go today for half that price: $205.

Plus HAZMAT fee and shipping of course...

[Pete Lester]

That is simply insane and I do NOT believe those auctions to be legitimate.

Dean can you elaborate on what causes you to believe they are not legit? These are not the first in the $300 to $400+ winning bid for 8lbs of Unique. There is very little powder out there to be had, especially powders that are used in pistol rounds.

[Pete Lester]

Dean and others. Go to Gunbroker, use the Advanced Search, search Completed Items for....

Powder 8*

You will be shocked.

[Rick Losey]

lots of thing go nuts over there

a little while back a dealer i have done business with a couple times (and found to be a good person to deal with) listed a box of 16 gauge 2 1/2 inch polywad spreader loads -

it went for $55 give or take a few pennies - I have 8 boxes I would let go for the bargain price of $50 each.

they list on the polywad site for $15 now

[paul stafford jr]

at my club we have all the primers in stock for the first time in three years at good prices. but we have no shotgun or pistol powder, so buy primers now and powder next winter when some becomes avalible .we have lots off B&P and NOBEL shells in stock, I think these are imported the euros don't seem to have the same problem we have

[Richard Flanders]

First powder in stock at S Warehouse here that I've seen in a long time. Win 748, Unique, ARComp, quite a selection of Alliant Reloder types and best of all, 8# jugs of H335, one of which I bought for loading the AR15. That much powder will do a lotta boolits. Interesting to look over the loading data in various manuals of varying ages; it's all over the board in velocities, COL, whether to use mag or non-mag primers, etc. Very difficult to find a load you feel you can trust enough to get started.

[Mark Garrett]

Here's a good one

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=399668290

That's over $62.00 a pound after shipping .

[edgarspencer]

Here's a good one

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=399668290

That's over $62.00 a pound after shipping .

And the guy offered it at the bargain Buy-It-Now price of only $50/lb. What a sport.

[John Campbell]

Some shill for the Dept. of Homeland Security will probably snap it up. With our tax dollars.

[Mills Morrison]

Yeah. Those people who bought guns in Fast and Furious can't do much with those guns without ammo

[Rich Anderson]

I have just bought 8lbs of International Clays for $70 and 12lbs of Clays and 8lbs of 7625 from fellow PGCA members. The 8lbs of Clays came from an estate sale. I purchased 16lbs of 7625 when a gun club made a large order. In that order 10 bags of shot came my way and I bought 10 bags of reclaimed shot earlier in the year. I am now set for quite some time.

Richard I can provide you a nice load for the 223 if you wish. Three of us use the same load and it's very accurate in our varmint rifles. PM me if you would like the data.

[Pete Lester]

I think we all know smokeless powder for shotguns use is hard to come by these days. We all speculate on a cause or hear various stories of why. A retailer in powder, other components and ammunition etc spoke with me yesterday. He asked me to not use his or his companies name. He was quite discouraged having received a partial order of powder, one small bottle of 800-x. He called his wholesale distributor to ask what is going on, how much longer etc. The wholesale distributor was upset as well as his customers are climbing up his butt too. The wholesale distributor told the person I spoke with yesterday that his contact at a major powder company told him the government has and continues to purchase 85 to 90% of their entire production and we are doing the best we can. Third hand information, rumor, sure it is, but it is what I heard from a retailer I know and spoke with. Why wouldn't powder makers tell us this, fear of IRS audits, OSHA inspections, cancellation of government orders to their parent companies perhaps? If it is true it will eventually come out. I am not sure what to think but the scarcity and duration of the scarcity of almost all shotgun powder and 22 rimfire is difficult to explain. I am not intending nor want to turn this thread into a political commentary. My point is powder is scarce and it may be scarce for some time to come, buy it when you see it is my advice.

[John Campbell]

A prescient observation. I called a major midwest distributor this week. They have NO shotgun powders at all. None. And this guy supplies many of the ATA shooters.

Primers? No problem.
Wads? No problem.

For what it's worth, I simply can't understand why some offshore manufacturer doesn't send about 100 containers of powder to the US. They'd make a killing. No pun intended.

Hmmm. Maybe illegal aliens will start smuggling it in.

[Chuck Bishop]

Maybe we could get Eric Holder to investigate, he doesn't have much to do lately:rotf:

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Maybe you should keep that powder locked in your gun safe, Rich, it will be as valuable as gold in the future.
I picked up 2 1 lb (ok, 14 oz) bottles of PB yesterday that had not been marked up in price. I have never loaded PB, but heck, at least I can use it for my 12's and 16's until I run out. Also, the store had all primers 10% off, but they only had 500 shotgun primers and they were Fed 209A at $2.69/100.
I have not used those primers but have seen plenty of low pressure loads with them, so I took them. Anymore, we have to use what we can find, not what we want.
I still have 8 lbs of 20/28 and can get more. The store also had 2 8 lb jugs of 700X.
Shot was $44/bag--I wanted #8, but they had 7 1/2 and 8 1/2--so I figured if I mix them and divide by 2, I will have 8 shot, right?

[John Campbell]

I used to be a normal human being and sportsman. Now I'm becoming something I never expected: A paranoid. News just out today that the crotch-groping TSA has ordered 24 million rounds of pistol ammo. That's enough to fight WWII for months...

And since pistol and shotgun powders are similar and run on the same production line/tools, you may not see any of our stuff for, oh, four years or so. Here's one site's view of the issue:

http://www.infowars.com/tsa-to-purchase-24-million-rounds-of-duty-ammunition/

[Rick Losey]

I used to be a normal human being and sportsman. Now I'm becoming something I never expected: A paranoid. News just out today that the crotch-groping TSA has ordered 24 million rounds of pistol ammo. That's enough to fight WWII for months...

And since pistol and shotgun powders are similar and run on the same production line/tools, you may not see any of our stuff for, oh, four years or so. Here's one site's view of the issue:

http://www.infowars.com/tsa-to-purchase-24-million-rounds-of-duty-ammunition/



just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.



PS;
stopped at a shop on the way home - could have primers in any size I wanted as long as I wanted Winchester, very few types of other brands, no CCI large rifle and they said they cannot get them. I asked for a specific rifle powder - they had one pound of it so I took that. I can load for everything I shoot, even if its not every load I like.

[Mills Morrison]

Well, it is too hot around here to shoot anyway. Time for fishing and hoping the government does not start buying up flies or bait.

[Rich Anderson]

I just received an E-Mail from Natchez Shooter Supply that my order from 3/28/13 was available. It was so long ago I didn't know what it was and had to call them. I now have 500 6mm 75gr Hornady V-Max bullets for my .243 varmint rifle coming. maybe I should have bought a 1000 but I haven't been to the prairie dog town in quite a while:eek:

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Went to pick up some 20/28 for someone at a gunstore that has always had alot of it in stock since this whole issue started, and you guessed it , they were out and didnt know when more would come in. They seemingly had lots of rifle/pistol powders but no shotgun powders.
Win 209 primers were $49/brick, but I picked up a brick of Fed 209A primers for $27. I know these are hotter than the W209's I currently use, but hope to find some low pressure loads I can use the in, in 12, 16, or 20 ga. Since most of the low pressure loads I use are on the "wimpy" side, will it really make that much difference?

[John Dallas]

Harold - Check out Tom Armbrust's primer comparison:


http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

[Pete Lester]

Went to pick up some 20/28 for someone at a gunstore that has always had alot of it in stock since this whole issue started, and you guessed it , they were out and didnt know when more would come in. They seemingly had lots of rifle/pistol powders but no shotgun powders.
Win 209 primers were $49/brick, but I picked up a brick of Fed 209A primers for $27. I know these are hotter than the W209's I currently use, but hope to find some low pressure loads I can use the in, in 12, 16, or 20 ga. Since most of the low pressure loads I use are on the "wimpy" side, will it really make that much difference?

Primer substitution can ramp up pressure by over 3000 psi all else being equal. Tread carefully.

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Thanks guys, I will find a suitable safe load or trade them off to some trapshooters.

[Chuck Bishop]

If you can buy Fed 209A's for $27 per brick, buy a couple of sleeves. For 12ga using Clays or Clay Dot and straight wall hulls, there are many low pressure recipes to choose from.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I found some nice low pressure loads in 12 ga AA and Rems, 7625 and PB, using the Fed 209A in an IMR loading guide--also in Fed hulls, which I dont have any. I've got 2 lbs each of 7625 and PB, so I am set--think I'll go out and buy the rest of their Fed209A stock.

[George Lang]

The latest thing we should be concerned about is that the EPA wants to amend the clean water act to include "ALL WATER" in the US including that on private lands. It will include ponds, streams, washes (seasonal or otherwise) and runoffs etc. The proposal is out for public comments right now. Go to EPA website to view and or comment. Wow no guns, no ammo, and now no water. Guess the first 2 are so we can't fight the 3rd.

[John Campbell]

Hmmm.... "All Water"???

That includes ALL land. And to "protect" that land, you will NOT be able to use lead shot for grouse, pheasant, dove, quail, rabbits --- or target shooting.

They don't need to ban guns. They just need to "back-door ban" the means by which they are employed (effective ammunition). Result: You are left with a safe full of curios. Expensive. useless curios.

I apologize if this seems political. But I'm just responding to a post...

[Pete Lester]

This info comes from the NRA-ILA, Operation Choke Point, a Dept of Justice Initiative that attempts to shut down many categories of legitimate business' including ammunition and firearm sales (see page 9 of the second link). I am sure this has nothing to do with the current lack of smokeless powder or 22 rimfire on dealer shelves. :whistle:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/5/house-report-choke-point-targets-legal-businesses-for-asphyxiation.aspx

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Staff-Report-Operation-Choke-Point1.pdf

[Dean Romig]

Who would ever have guessed.... it could happen right here :usa:

[paul stafford jr]

what happened to for the people by the people

[John Campbell]

what happened to for the people by the people

That left the country in 2008. BTW, I just saw a couple of 1 lb. cannisters of Red Dot for $25 each at a local shop. I'm trying to decide...

[Pete Lester]

That left the country in 2008. BTW, I just saw a couple of 1 lb. cannisters of Red Dot for $25 each at a local shop. I'm trying to decide...

As you know that equals $200 for an 8lb jug. I guess it depends on how much you have and how long you think the current situation with shotgun powders will last. My guess another year to three years before it gets better.

[Gary Laudermilch]

Just purchased a 1 lb bottle of Win. WSF for $18. This was new stock as they never had any before. They also had Red Dot and PB 8 pounders but I did not ask the price. Shot was $39 for less than 10 bags - a dollar less for 10 or more.

[Angel Cruz]

I had won an auction for some powder from gunbroker and as usual I called the seller to arrange payment and at that time he told me I had to wait because he had to get his hazmat shipping paper work in order. After waiting for a month I emailed him about it and this was his response
Sir: At this time I cannot move any powder outside of my business. The ATF and DOJ and DHS has issued a Industry Advisory of the sale of Black Powder and Smokeless Powders. Retailers and Customers like you are all being effected. V/r, Dave John

Don't sound good!!!

Angel..

[Pete Lester]

I had won an auction for some powder from gunbroker and as usual I called the seller to arrange payment and at that time he told me I had to wait because he had to get his hazmat shipping paper work in order. After waiting for a month I emailed him about it and this was his response
Sir: At this time I cannot move any powder outside of my business. The ATF and DOJ and DHS has issued a Industry Advisory of the sale of Black Powder and Smokeless Powders. Retailers and Customers like you are all being effected. V/r, Dave John

Don't sound good!!!

Angel..

Have them give your money back asap or ship the powder. There is nothing in the industry advisory that prevents the sale and shipment of powder. The fact you have waited a month makes me suspicious of the sellers motives much less the BS about the advisory preventing sale and shipment.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/powders-industry-outreach.pdf

[Mills Morrison]

Sounds like some hornswaggling going on, to borrow a word from Richard Hoover's article in the most recent Parker Pages

[Angel Cruz]

I have not paid for it yet. Now I have to search for some more 7625.
thanks Pete!!

[Paul Stafford]

The powder is out there, you just have to search for it. All the manufactures are making powder it just gets bought up the minute it hits the stores or in most cases the shops that get it are selling it for 500% over its usual cost. I found some Unique at a distributor out west. Don't give up!!!



http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=558&pictureid=6398

[Paul Stafford]

I have not paid for it yet. Now I have to search for some more 7625.
thanks Pete!!

How much are you looking for Angel?

[John Campbell]

Any shop selling powder at 500% over retail has no business in the powder business. They should be dealing in gold! NONE of the shops near me have added more than $5 to any size powder. But... NONE of them have shotshell powder. However, they say it's coming soon.

[Angel Cruz]

Hi Paul. I had purchased 5, one pound jars so any I can get I'm happy with.

[Larry Stauch]

That left the country in 2008. BTW, I just saw a couple of 1 lb. cannisters of Red Dot for $25 each at a local shop. I'm trying to decide...

Seattle Skeet and Trap had 8 lbs of Red Dot for $130 a little while ago. My brother bought one and I declined because getting it to my home in Utah could be a problem.

[Brad Boyer]

Think you have been had....Mostly BS

[Angel Cruz]

Think you have been had....Mostly BS

Yeah,I figured he sold it locally.. probably for more..

[Eric Grims]

Just saw cases of red dot and a few other types at Powderhorn in vermont. First alliant I saw. In a long time.

[Dave Suponski]

My local guy here in CT is starting to get rifle powders in.

[Rick Losey]

IMR rifle powders have not been hard to find here

stopped in a shop looking for shot- they didn't have any

so as an after thought, I looked in the powder magazine and found a bottle of PB and one of a rifle powder I use and a bottle of IMR SR4756 - so the stop was worth while.

but things still seem to be trickling in around here.

[Bruce Parham]

Recob's has magnum shot at $41.99 per bag with two bag shipping of $13.90. That's right at $49 a bag but, if you really need it, it's there.

If you're in the SoCAl area, Philips Wholesale has the Peruvian stuff for $38 a bag but he is walk-in only, no shipping.

Bruce

http://www.recobstargetshop.com/index.htm

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Same situation here Rick, there seems to be alot of IMR and Alliant rifle powders on the shelves, but no shotgun powders. I found some WAA Lite the other week and bought 2 lbs without even knowing much about it. After reviewing the loads available with it, it seemed great for nice, low recoiling 12 ga loads. Stopped back in the same store Wed and bought the rest of it(3 lbs), so now have 5 lbs of it. Unfortunately, it seems limited to 12 ga use only.
At another store, all that was available was Steel and 410, along with lots of rifle powders. Since it was pouring rain, I continued on to Wheeling's Cabelas- no shotgun powder but they were putting out .22's, $18/box of 333, 1 per customer.

[Dave Suponski]

Just picked up 5 lbs of SR 7625 and 2 more pounds of HodgdonTitewad. I'm a happy guy! And the nice thing is they have more.

[Robert Rambler]

Was in Cleveland Ohio today, Fin,Fur and Feather has 8lb RedDot for 129.00 and 4lb 700x on the shelf.

[John Campbell]

I just scored 8 lbs of Red Dot. There isn't a lot out there, but it's good to know there is some.

[wayne goerres]

I would like to get some bulls eye. I found some a wile back and gave it to a freind and know I cant find any for me.

[Rick Losey]

I stopped by the shop I have been getting powder at right along- and asked to see the "in stock" list

they said they had NO powder at all and would not until at least the end of the month

since I had gone for shot and they at least had #8's (that was it) the trip was not a loss

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Cabelas in Wheeling had around 15 1 lb bottles of Longshot last night. I bought 2 bottles, because I had seen a lot about it on the 16 ga forum.
Unfortunately, it is used mostly for heavy 16 ga loads, so it may have little use for me. I did find some 1 oz loads I could use, but I rarely shoot an ounce load except in my Fair Rizzini 600 16 OU(I know, but it does have double triggers.) There are some nice 3/4 oz 20ny gauge loads listed, but I have been using Green Dot for them.
Anybody have any light 16 ga loads with Longshot to share?
Also picked up a box(333) of .22's for $18.
Found a pound of PB at a gun shop Wed, and picked it up.

[Paul Harm]

We just ordered 24lbs of 800X, 16 of 700X, and I personal got 16lbs of Promo at 88$/8lbs. Was told they had some 8 pounders of 7625. They have all the shot, wads and primers we want, just not the " dot " powders.

[charlie cleveland]

i got a email from ballistic reloading today said they had powder to sell...charlie

[Eric Grims]

Got an email response from RST today saying they are about to receive Niceshot and could have loads available by the end of August.

[Mills Morrison]

I am hoping RST gets their 10 gauge shells restocked. My 10 gauge guns need to be shot.

[Bill Murphy]

Paul, can you confirm the $11.00 a pound prices you quoted?

[Paul Stafford]

That is cost from Dawson's in Ohio.

[Pete Lester]

They are still making runs on the bank so to speak. Powder Valley announced this morning on Facebook they had a nice shipment of Alliant Powders that included 8 lb jugs of Clay Dot, Promo and Unique. In well less than an hour it was gone. Heading for almost a year and a half since starting this thread the powder shortage is as bad as ever.

[paul stafford jr]

I belive mr harm is giving wholesale prices. my club price for promo is 97.00 and 120.00 for non members. 7625 is up to 26.00 a pound for members , 36.00 for non. that price on the promo was for a 8LB

[edgarspencer]

Now I feel even better about the unopened 5 pounder I got for $70. It's the old style metal can that looks like a tall gallon of paint thinner.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I had to go to a meeting in Columbus, Oh , today and stoped at Buckeye Outdoors/Vance Supply and they did not have a single pound of shotgun powder on the shelves. This spring, I had bought several pounds of International and PB there.

[paul stafford jr]

we got some powder in at the club this week , I bought a lot of it, going to get whats left tomorrow , snooze ya loose

[John Campbell]

My local "outfitter store" has a decent supply of Red Dot. My Visa card will be in use today!

[Frank Srebro]

For those who like Hodgdon Clays, International and Universal - the Australian company that produced these powders for Hodgdon is now reporting that the "production issue" of last year was resolved but then a "burn event" occurred in the dryer part of its process when it was brought back on line earlier this year. Net, latest word is their shotgun powders will not be available until late this year, and then the company will have to work through the order backlog. I don't use any of these powders myself but I thought I'd pass the word. It sounds like those who do might not see any on the shelves until next year.

[Pete Lester]

For those who like Hodgdon Clays, International and Universal - the Australian company that produced these powders for Hodgdon is now reporting that the "production issue" of last year was resolved but then a "burn event" occurred in the dryer part of its process when it was brought back on line earlier this year. Net, latest word is their shotgun powders will not be available until late this year, and then the company will have to work through the order backlog. I don't use any of these powders myself but I thought I'd pass the word. It doesn't sound like those who do might not see any on the shelves until next year.

Where did that info come from? Good news I suppose, but it doesn't explain the severe shortage of all shotgun powders, not sure what I believe at this point given the prolonged empty shelves at every retailer.

[Rick Losey]

A fire at the plant that makes Clays and available later this year is what I was told earlier this year at one of the better shops I stop at often.

[Frank Srebro]

Info I posted earlier today came from a personal source in the industry.

[Mills Morrison]

A cousin sent this to me and I thought the group may be interested.

This site tracks which vendors have ammo and what their current price is.

www.gunbot.net ..

[George Davis]

I was at Bruno Shooting Supply in Phoenix, AZ yesterday and he had 40,000 Remington 209 Primers. Lots of pistol and rifle but limited shotgun powders. Hope this helps

[Pete Lester]

I was reading some of the threads on Trapshooters.com about powder availability at the Grand American shoot earlier this month. This is the biggest trapshoot in the country with a lot of vendors in attendance. From what I read only one vendor, Graf Supply, had any powder to sell and they say it was a limited quantity. Graf would only sell powder as part of a package of primers and wads included to prevent hoarding but that irritated some folks who needed powder but not primers and wads. If only one vendor had a limited supply of smokeless powder at the Grand American the shortage of powder remains severe.

[Greg Baehman]

It was reported on the shotgunworld.com reloading forum that the ADI plant that produces the Clays line of powders for Hodgdon is up and running again. According to a Hodgdon rep the 1st batch of powders has arrived at Hodgdon and are going through their quality assurance for testing.

If the above is actually true and factual we may see some Clays powders in a few months and if Clays is once again available that should ease the demand for alternative powders.

[Rick Losey]

It was reported on the shotgunworld.com reloading forum that the ADI plant that produces the Clays line of powders for Hodgdon is up and running again. According to a Hodgdon rep the 1st batch of powders has arrived at Hodgdon and are going through their quality assurance for testing.

If the above is actually true and factual we may see some Clays powders in a few months and if Clays is once again available that should ease the demand for alternative powders.

Good to hear, late summer availability was the timing I got from a dealer months ago, sounds promising

[Mills Morrison]

RST 10 gauge back in stock. Just ordered a flat of No. 8's. All of my 10's will be happy

[jim garrett]

I spoke with a gentleman from Hogdon recently and he stated that there is a quantity of Clays Universal on the boat, on the way from Australia. He further stated that Clays International will be next and that Clays should be here shortly after the first of the year(2015). He further told me that an air handling unit in the powder drying room caused a spark which subsequently ignited the plant. They had it repaired for some time before they could get the local inspectors to come by and give the powder complex their final approval for production. He stated that those folks down there don't seem to get in a hurry about anything. I think that the information is accurate as it couples with several different sources that I have sought out on this question....We will see.

[Gary Laudermilch]

My local dealer just got a shipment of Alliant powder - Clay dot, Red dot, Green dot in 1 & 8 pound. 20/28 in only 1 pound. Prices were reasonable too. Clay dot at $110 for 8# and $18 for 1# of Green dot. Not sure what the others were priced at. They also had Eagle magnum shot for $37.

[Craig Larter]

Gary: Please post or PM we the name of your dealer. Thanks Craig

[paul stafford jr]

Had some powder show up Friday at my club, picked up 16lb of WST

[Gary Laudermilch]

As requested my local dealer is:

Beikirch's Hunter Supply
Elkland, PA
814-326-4157

[Craig Larter]

Gary: Thanks. Funny I buy from Beikirch's in East Rochester NY and I called the East Rochester store and they said they had no shotgun powder, I will call the PA store tomorrow. Craig

[Rick Losey]

Gary: Thanks. Funny I buy from Beikirch's in East Rochester NY and I called the East Rochester store and they said they had no shotgun powder, I will call the PA store tomorrow. Craig

Elkland is not a bad run from here Craig.

Gary, where in town is it?

[Craig Larter]

Gary:Thanks I called the PA store and they had 4 lbs of clay dot so they put them on the company truck to Rochester and I should have the powder Thursday. Great people Beikirch's. Thanks again. Craig

[Pete Lester]

It is still rather amazing that a quick search for popular target powders such as 700x, Red Dot, etc still comes up empty for all the big powder/reloading internet retailers. Can't remember the last time I saw a brick of 22LR on a store shelf either. Who ever thought this would happen in this country and for so long.

[Richard Flanders]

The last show here in Denver had whatever one wanted for rifle and pistol ammo, .22LR, and powder. It was just all spendy. Powders were mostly $30-$35 per pound. A lot of my powder supply has old price stickers of as low as $1... or maybe $2... I was just at a Michigan gun show and found quite a lot of vintage paper shotshell ammo but prices were higher than what one can get Rio shells for at S Warehouse. I found two ammo cans at one table, one full of vintage paper 20's, one of 16's, and all usable shot sizes, but he wanted what amounted to $15/box so I passed. I'd have gone half that and let him keep the ammo cans, but no more. The Michigan show wasn't anywhere near as well stocked on powder as the Denver show.

[John Campbell]

... Who ever thought this would happen in this country and for so long.

The regional wholesaler I generally deal with told me that they have NO shotshell powder at all. And they don't expect any for at least four months.

The reason? Well, that's getting into political issues...

[Dean Romig]

Well, the Alcohol and the Tobacco have nothing to do with it and Firearms are protected under the 2nd so it must be the "E" issue that's causing it all.

[Eric Grims]

I was under the understanding that IMR was to discontinue 7625. None around for months then my friends found some newly stocked on the shelf at Welch's in Lebanon NH and picked me up a few pounds. Wonder what is up - still making it, been in the warehouse?

[Mark Ouellette]

Was the newly acquired 7625 sold under the Hodgon brand?

[Eric Grims]

It was labeled IMR with no mention of Hodgden.

[Pete Lester]

There could be light at the end of the tunnel. Last night I went to the Kittery Trading Post and they had CCI 22LR and 22 WMR and a lot of it. Prices were not what they used to be, 300 rounds of either 36gr HV HP or 40 gr round nose SV was $29.99. 22 WMR was $49.99 for 200 rounds. No limit per customer. Again this is the first time since a promotional sale last where 22 ammo sold out in minutes that I have seen American made 22 ammo on their shelves without a feeding frenzy.

[wayne goerres]

Shotgun world in Anniston Alabama has 700x on the shelf. Did'nt think to look at the price.

[Richard Flanders]

The S Warehouse here in Denver has all sorts of powder on the shelves, even some 1# cans of PB which is supposed to be discontinued. Still kicking myself for not snagging the three 8# or maybe 12# tins of PB from the Tanner show here last year. Just don't have a way to get it home. Best deal I've seen for at least AR ammos is Wideners. Israeli IMI cans of 1200 rds of 55 or 62 gr FMJ for way cheaper than anyone I've seen in a long time. Same with 55/62 gr FMJ bullets for reloading. I think it was 9.4/12.3 cents each. If I were driving home tomorrow instead of flying I'd be taking some cans of ammo along.

[wayne goerres]

Now that the powder is about 30.00 a pound what would you bet that when the powder shortage ends the price stays in the 30.00 a pound range.

[Mills Morrison]

Yep. It all makes you wonder who all is involved in the conspiracy. Assuming there is one, of course

[Rick Losey]

I don't think I have paid 30 a pound even the last couple years

Even though it took searching and some patience, I eventually found what I needed

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Like Rick, I have been able to find what I need without paying out the nose for it. I did find some PB and 7625 pounders and bought them at around $25/lb but they have always been a little more expensive. I was buying 20/28 at around $19/lb and REd and Green dot around $20. I bought 2 lbs of Longshot at $22.50 but think I'll try to get rid of it as it really does not fit with what I want to load.

[wayne goerres]

It may depend on the area you are in but in this area in Goerga powder runs 30.00 to 36.00 a pound. At any rate since we have had a democratic president in office (2008) the price of powder has at least doubled.

[Paul Harm]

We order thru the club from a distributor - no sales tax and no shipping. Most powders are under $112 for 8#s. Promo is 88/8 and Clay Dot is 92/8. I'd never pay 30/lb. You guys are gonna have to start buying 8 lbs at a time and find a way to get it cheaper.

[wayne goerres]

I found some IMR 4831 in an eight pound Jug the other day and it was $250.00. That was in Alabama. Powder at the New Cabala's in Atlanta was 30.00 and up. If you guy's can buy 8 lbs at $112.00 you are lucky.

[charlie cleveland]

powder in my area is about what wayne said..last reddot and blue dot i paid 28 dollars for 1 pound cans..i looked at a 4 lb jug 2 weeks ago it was winshester lite it was 154 dollars for the 4 lb jug...i paid 53.50 for the last bag of shot i bought in lead....charlie

[John Campbell]

If it provides any schadenfreude for those on this thread, I saw an 8-lb jug of Red Dot at the Louisville show yesterday. For the low, low price of $259 ! For some reason, no one seemed to be grabbing for it...

[Carvel Whaley]

I bought green dot and unique last week for $119.00 for 8 lbs. Carvel

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Found 4 1 pounders of 7625 this weekend at a gun show, in Washington, Pa. He was asking $24/pound. I offered $85 for all four and he took it. Also bought 2 pounds of International at $19/pound.
Not many Parkers to look at, a VHE 12 with a replacement straight grip, 1 1/2 frame, and another Vhe 12, and a Parker Repro 20 2 barrel set.

[Eric Grims]

I wonder what is up with 7625? Word out there was it was discontinued ibut after a long drought it shows up again. I found four pounds about a month ago. Let's hope it doesn't go away as it is fine stuff for low pressure loads.

[Tom Pellegrini]

For a source for lead shot try rotometals.com they have new and reclaimed shot available. I have been using the reclaimed that is washed and graphite. Their prices include shipping. Two bags, 50lbs., washed and graphite is $83.99. Hope this helps. For the powder shortage, just keep checking all the websites.

[paul stafford jr]

does any one know if kens reloading supplies is still around , he sells at discount around the mich. ohio area . I have tried calling many times and left messages with no reply

[paul stafford jr]

scored 8 lbs of WSF , 12lbs longshot , things are looking up

[Harold Lee Pickens]

At gunshow last week, one dealer had at least a dozen 1 lbers of Red Dot, a bunch of Titewad, and several pounds of Unique. I didn't need any Red Dot 'cause I had bought a 4 pounder of WAA Light this fall, and still had some RD. I did buy a pound of Unique to try with 16 ga loads.

[paul stafford jr]

I got 8lbs of 7625 at end of last summer haven't seen any since, also got 12 lbs of unique 3 weeks ago

[John Powers]

At the shot show last week and met with Hodgdon. They have discontinued 7625 and PB. What is around is leftovers and no more will be produced.

[charlie cleveland]

the powder supply has not picked up in north miss yet....charlie

[paul stafford jr]

good news we have got powder shipments in two months in a row , hodgdon powder is now available ,clays universal , international , and the Winchester powders hodgdon makes , things are looking up , but for you cheap guys the price is up to. cant have everything.

[Rich Anderson]

Paul Ken Meyers is still in business that I know of. Our club gets their targets from him. I saw International Clays in both 4 and 8lbs today as well as 20/28. I'm in good shape with 7625,clays and 20/28 at least for now.

[Pete Lester]

Has the powder availability situation changed in your area? I am not able to walk into any place I know of and immediately buy popular shotgun powders. I was able to buy an 8lb jug of Red Dot this week from a gun club member who dabbles in selling reloading supplies. I am good for some time to come with this acquisition. The seller told me the distributor where he buys his stuff has increased prices on powder. 700-X saw the biggest increase, his price on 8lb was $160. He said suggested retail on it is now over $200. The Red Dot was $135. I expected the prolonged powder shortage would eventually bring higher prices.

[Daryl Corona]

Seems as if it has lightened up a bit Pete. I just picked up an 8lb keg of 20/28 for $124 at one of the distributors in PA. They had a good selection on hand.

[John Campbell]

Things seem better but not back to normal in my NE Ohio area. Some 8 pounders of Red Dot, etc. on the shelf of a local retailer... and about $135 for same. Primers are lean.

My local distributor has some primers, but NO Federals. Their prices for powder are still about $115 for an 8 lb jug. That's IF they have what you want.

Plenty of shot. And plenty of CCI or import primers available there.

Bottom line: If you see what you want, BUY IT.

Before the next executive order...

[jim garrett]

Pete, I can't say that the powder situation has improved in the southeast. I have had Clays Universal ordered for 2 1/2 years and it still isn't available. Maybe when Rio starts getting in the game Hogdon will wake up and start paying some attention to their customers. Jim Garrett

[jim garrett]

does anyone have a good 1200 fps load for 1 oz shot for a 16 gauge? Jim Garrett

[John Campbell]

For the especially Powder-poor shooters out there, Ballistic Products has Nobel Vectan powder in stock for order. Reasonable price, too:

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Vectan-by-NobelSport/products/769/

[Dave Suponski]

Seems to be much better here in Southern New England.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

cabelas here in wheeling,wv has plenty of universal and international clays--all 1 pound bottles, also Longshot.
Bought a couple pounds of green dot, and reddot last weekend at a gun show, and they had I bottle of 20/28 so I bought it also

[John Campbell]

In case some of you haven't seen it, GunsAmerica posted this today regarding Hodgdon powders:

"Unless you’re brand-new to reloading, you’re aware of how difficult it has been to find components over the last few years. Well I’ve got great news for shotgun and handgun reloaders. Hodgdon is reintroducing the Clay’s line of powder. They don’t have a new powder but what they have is even better. I’m told that the volumes they have committed to buy has allowed them to virtually guarantee availability in 2016.

"As if that was not enough, they will be reducing the price on all three of the Clays powders. So whether your choice is Clays, Clays International or Clays Universal, availability and price should no longer prevent you from making Clays your first choice."

So... things might be looking up for 2016. At least as far as shotgun powder is concerned.


Here's the link:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/hodgdon-buys-military-powder-orders-new-imr-4955/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20160127_SHOT16_5&utm_campaign=/blog/hodgdon-buys-military-powder-orders-new-imr-4955/

[Brian Dudley]

I recently ran out of powder and was going to have to start trying to find more Hodgdon International. Then by luck a good friend of mine called me up and asked me if i would want to purchase a buch of reloading supplies from him since he was getting out of it. Among a lot of other things about 20 lbs of International powder came with the buy, for VERY cheap! So fortunately, i am set for a while.

[William Davis]

I was at Deep River yesterday, Home of the Southern SxS. He has most useful Shotgun powders in stock. Good supply of 7 1/2 shot too. Dealer I buy from most Green Top in Ashland Va is also well stocked with powders and shot.

William

[jim garrett]

I replied to this thread recently re unavailable powder. I checked with my supplier and I am supposed to receive my order of Clays Universal next week. Hornady is only making it available in 1 lb cans rather than 8 lb kegs as they have supplied in the past. In my opinion this lends to the theory of hoarding as they have decried as the reason for the shortage of powder. If one wants to make a profit from powder all they have to do is buy from a wholesaler and resale at a higher price with the 1 lb cans. I would be much more difficult with 4 and 8 lb kegs. I will not complain as I will be glad to get the powder that has been on backorder for 2 1/2 years. Jim Garrett

[Harold Lee Pickens]

At Cabelas, Wheeling yesterday they had Blue Dot, Unique, Int. Clays. Univ. clays, and Clays. Also Longshot, WSF, Super AA, Titewad, Titegroup, and Lil" gun

[Jerry Harlow]

This chart helps me find a substitute powder when I can't find exactly what I am looking for. I don't substitute the loads but rely on the loading data for the new powder which the chart will get you in the ballpark of what you are looking for.

[William Davis]

I have been using relitive quickness charts loading rifle and pistol cartridges for years. Can't find what you want they give good alternatives. W 748 for BL C, or Varget in the 308 or 4759 vs 4227 in 32/40 & 38/55 good example. However Rifles you can start low work up a load, Cronograph, look at cases for pressure signs, etc. number of ways to stay safe.

Shotguns advice has always been published loads only. That's fine for modern guns, Older doubles, powder shortages and discontinued powders put me back into the relitive quickness charts. I follow rifle methods, start very low, make sure the wad leaves the barrel, don't switch the other components, and most often try the load in a pump shotgun first. Work up very slowly Cronographing.

Would rather follow published but the powder companies make it more difficult every year.

William

[John Campbell]

Stopped into my favorite Ohio "Outdoor Superstore" this afternoon and was delighted to see a wide variety of powders on hand in both 1 lb and 8 lb containers. No problem finding Red Dot, Clay Dot, Green Dot, etc. in either size. Don't tell the doomsday preppers...

[Pete Lester]

Last week I took a ride around part of NH and stopped at three gun stores in fairly close proximity to each other, Riley's, Shooters Outpost and Bass Pro. Each store had a few small bottles of 700-X. Shooters Outpost had one 1lb bottle of Alliant Clay Dot, and Bass Pro had one 1lb bottle of Green Dot. Although this is better than bare shelves it still suggests to me the powder drought may be easing but things have not returned to normal in this part of the country.

[Bruce Parham]

Things are improving. One of SoCal's most popular suppliers, Phillips Wholesale - http://www.phillipswholesale.com/, has had 700-X, along with a lot of others, in stock for a few weeks (the News and Updates tab lists the current inventory). Looks like waiting in line, 8 hours before opening, or shipping and Haz-Mat fees are a thing of the past. For now...

Bruce

[King Brown]

What are the limitations of 700-X for water fowling from a blind? I'm ready to open another keg for 1 1/8 loads, bismuth and lead. No problems with other powders, just to simplify and reduce clutter; possessions are a burden at a certain age.

[Bill Murphy]

The chart.

[John Campbell]

Now that I think of it, I've also seen a resurgence of Federal 209 primers... my absolute favorite for any loads. I bought a brick without even batting an eye when I spotted them. Well... maybe my Visa card...

[Paul Harm]

I get Cheddites for 112 a brick. It's all I've used for a number of years. We just received our club order and got a number of powders in the 8# size - Unique, Blue Dot, Green Dot, Clay Dot, Universal Clays, Int'l Clays, American Select, 700X, and 410. I wouldn't say the powder shortage isn't there, but it's getting better.

[Gary Laudermilch]

I saw Eagle magnum shot for sale at a small local shop last week for $35 cash only. That is the best price I've seen in a while. I think I'll be returning to stock up for next winter's reloading spree. I'm done reloading for this winter. Now it's time to shoot, shoot, and shoot some more.

[CraigThompson]

Last week I took a ride around part of NH and stopped at three gun stores in fairly close proximity to each other, Riley's, Shooters Outpost and Bass Pro. Each store had a few small bottles of 700-X. Shooters Outpost had one 1lb bottle of Alliant Clay Dot, and Bass Pro had one 1lb bottle of Green Dot. Although this is better than bare shelves it still suggests to me the powder drought may be easing but things have not returned to normal in this part of the country.

Every time I talk to our distributers they give me the same BS "we're back ordered on blah blah blah" and I am fully aware they ship to their larger accounts first . But WTF , I used to get a lot from Parks and Sons in Winston Salem area but about two years ago their business went south in my opinion and have not bought from them since . I also used to drive to Ron Shirk's in Lebanon PA to pick up for us and another friends shop . Most of the time when I call them to make an order they don't have 75% of what I want , plus if I go pick up from them I can't get but 100 pounds of powder at a time . There's another place semi close to Pittsburgh I use sometimes "CAC" , we fly up there and pick up but they don't always have the majority of what I want .

[Bill Murphy]

You fly to CAC? Tell us about that.

[CraigThompson]

You fly to CAC? Tell us about that.

I have a friend that's a shooter that has a 4 person some kind of prop plane and we fly up and back . Last trip we came back thru Morgantown to visit a Vintage Shooter friend of his . I love flying but I gotta admit I prefer large commercial passenger planes more then small private planes :rotf:

CAC is almost directly across the road from the municipal airport so we fly up call them when we land they drive a pickup across the road with our stuff for an additional $10 , we load and are generally back in the air 20 minutes after we landed !

[allen newell]

Outback Arms in Plympton, Mass has plenty of powder, wads, primers and lead shot. Was there yesterday and loaded up.

[Pete Lester]

Outback Arms in Plympton, Mass has plenty of powder, wads, primers and lead shot. Was there yesterday and loaded up.

How were the prices?

[Daniel Carter]

Allen: Did Outback have Clays or Nitro 100

[allen newell]

Pete,

All I needed was lead and their 25 lb bags go for $53/bag. I only needed lead shot. I think I saw $153 for the largest container of Red Dot.

Yes, they had Clays and Nitro 100. They have powder all over the shop.

The other day I paid $4.43/box for Federal 209 primers at M&M Plymouth Bay Outfitters in downtown Plymouth

[William Davis]

Believe it or not Green Top in Ashland VA is having a 10 % off sale on loading components. Base price is the new normal 47.95 Shot 150 dollar 8 lb Jugs of powder. 32 dollars for 1000 primers.

10 % gets it back to about were prices were, more or less.

William

[Gary Laudermilch]

A small local gunshop has new manufacture Hodgdon Clays. Eight pounders at $145. It has been a long time since I've seen any for sale.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Gary, were you still needing WAA Lite? I have a few pounds of it that I am not using and could bring to Hausmann's--

[Gary Laudermilch]

Yes, Harold I will take whatever amount you wish to part with. Let me know what day(s) you plan to be there.

[Paul Harm]

Good Lord, if I had to pay those prices I might quit shooting. We pay 35 for shot, 112/5000 primers, and anywhere from 98 to 112 for 8# of powder. Maybe if you guys found a club to shoot at that orders supplies, or join in on their order.

[Kirk Mckinney]

Would anyone on here happen to have about 20 lbs of SR 7625 they would want to sell...PM Me if you do. Also I just bought 8lbs of 700x from precision reloading for 149.00. they had in stock a week ago.
See you in the field.

[edgarspencer]

Would anyone on here happen to have about 20 lbs of SR 7625 they would want to sell...

:biglaugh::biglaugh:That's a good one.

[Kirk Mckinney]

LOL Yeah it was a long shot. But I did catch this last week48071

[Greg Baehman]

There was recently 8 lbs. of 7625 advertised for sale at $275.00, it was either here on the PGCA or the AHFCA site. I don't know if it found a buyer yet or not.

[edgarspencer]

Nice fish! Hook or spear? My daughter is so into free-diving and spearfishing it's silly. My wife and I asked her if she wanted a new bed for Christmas, and she said no, she wanted a new spear gun.

Greg, I think that was Mr. Srebo. He said he's deliver it to the southern. I spose $34 a pound is ok, if you absolutely don't want to switch. I have enough to last thru the year, but have already begun experimenting with some new loads.

[edgarspencer]

She has a weekly TV show in New Orleans called Martha's Fishtails. She actually gets paid to do this. Where did I go wrong?

[Kirk Mckinney]

It was on hook... but spearfishing is fun. About the difference between killing a deer with a rifle compared to a bow. They shoot some big fish with spearguns. Youtube is full of videos. That is a Dog Snapper taken out of La Paz Mexico. Just above cabo
Im too old to be holding my breath. lol

[charlie cleveland]

them fish are as big as she is...what these girls do is just fabulous....my granndaughter is some what like your girl....charlie