Help with identification

Parker Bachelder (Brad's Profile) · 08-22-2011, 01:43 PM

Chain pattern Damascus comprises a large percentage of our refinishing. Regardless of the brand name, the pattern is fairly consistant. Size and spacing seem to be the only variables. In this last group we ran a set of LC Smith, Meriden, Lefever and a set of Baker barrels as pictured below. The first three are typical but the last pictures are what was first thought as a basic Baker chain. However, after the first rusting it became obvious that this was not chain. What is it? I can't seem to ID it?
Thanks,
Brad

Twice Shooter · 08-22-2011, 01:59 PM

Brad, I can only identify it as BEAUTIFUL.
Cheers, Tom

Drew Hause · 08-24-2011, 04:37 PM

As we've discussed before, barrel and gun makers could call their patterns pretty much whatever they wanted, so let's call this "Bachelder"

I've never seen that pattern Brad, but it was obviously somebody's Chain or Chainette. Are there any maker's marks just forward of the flats? Many thanks for posting!

Parker Bachelder (Brad's Profile) · 08-24-2011, 04:59 PM

Each tube is stamped ahead of the flats with a "D" and a sideways 4. The flats are stamped with 4 digit serial number followed by P.D.. I have not seen these letters on a Baker before. The gun is a "R' grade with two sets of barrels, same pattern.
I will post some high res. pics shortly,
Thanks Brad

Drew Hause · 08-24-2011, 06:00 PM

Could it be 'B.D.'? Bauduin Doyen was a Nessonvaux damascus barrel and gun maker. They were part of Syndicat des Fabricants de canons de fusils de la Vesdre in 1907. 'BD' is pretty common on Smith's "Good 2 Rod Damascus"

Parker Bachelder (Brad's Profile) · 08-24-2011, 06:45 PM

The stampings are quite sharp with no residual marks present. The forend lug is also stamped D 4. I have noticed that Bakers with English Twist are stamped with an L. Damascus such as found on the Paragons is stamped with a D.
This pattern has a repeat of two wide bands followed by a narrow band. The narrow bands are broken chainette. The wide bands form a flower like pattern, similar to a rose.
Perhaps it is Rose and Chain ? The second set of barrels are just as perfect.

Brad

charlie cleveland · 08-25-2011, 09:30 PM

brad that is some fine looking barrels.... charlie

Parker Bachelder (Brad's Profile) · 08-30-2011, 03:24 PM

I was able to pull up some marks on the second set of barrels. Three letters possibly A.D.H. . Without full recovery I can't tell for sure. Hopefully these are close to a known makers marks.

Brad

Drew Hause · 08-31-2011, 03:21 PM

Thanks Brad. It's Arthur-Delvaux-Heuse de Fraipont and I found a pic of the same pattern also on a Baker. Is it an A grade or Paragon?

Parker Bachelder (Brad's Profile) · 08-31-2011, 03:37 PM

Thank you Drew, mystery solved. I will note it in our pattern book.
I wonder how many others may exist ?

Brad