Bill: The pictures I took at the Vintagers in 2009 were no good, it was a very sunny day and the guns were overexposed and none of the detail showed. I believe the third 10ga Elise we photographed that day was a original mint 0 or OO grade (I could be wrong), a spectacular gun. My Ideal was shipped in 1913, it has the Curtis forend release. I am always looking for original 10 bore Elsies, hard to find. A spectacular high condition 10ga Trap was displayed at the Southern last spring, it is owned by one of the LC Smith BOD's. I bought a original Grade 1 "boat gun condition" from Mid-South at the Southern and managed to take a turkey with it the next week. The big guns are fun to search for and shoot.
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