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Peter-as you know, the problem here in North America is that we can not use our 8 bores on wildfowl (and in many states on no game whatsoever). Other than the odd clandestine poke at a Canada or chamber inserts to 10 bore magnum (show them the 10 bore cartridges and the wardens never know) and the occasional foray in some places for turkey, 8 bores are a guncrank's indulgence here.