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From what I can find, the first gun is serial number 143556. According to the Identification and Serialization book that gun is a W8, which is an A-1 Special 16 ga with 30 inch Whitworth
barrels and made in 1907.
I agree, that sculpting on the bottom of the second gun is very unique and was probably done to accommodate the engraving style.
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