Larger Frame sizes for 10g and 8g.

[B. Dudley]

Another active thread touches on frame sizes for 10g. and 8g. And I was wondering about the larger frame sizes.

The Parker Story lists frame size tables on page 527.

Frame sizes up to 7 are listed for barrel breech dimensions from actual factory documentation. And a table showing actual frame dimensions were compiled by the authors as taken from actual found guns.



The following are based on my personal observations only:

Regarding 10g. guns, They are commonly found on 2 and 3 in hammer and hammerless and 4 frame in hammer guns and 6 frame in hammerless.

8g guns were built on 6 frame hammerless and 7 frame hammer guns.




The tables in TPS show the existence of frame size 5 as well. And the author's table lists 5 frame as being used for 8g. And that 7 frame was used for both 10 and 8g. The text in TPS does state that the data on the 5 frame was taken from one found gun in 10g which was a hammer gun. They mention hammer guns in 8g. being found on both 6 and 7 frame. And even a hammerless 8g. on a 7 frame. The text also mentioned an 8 frame being "rumored" to have been made. I am not sure what these rumors were. But there was not any physical evidence or documentation to support it.

I am wondering what other guns members on this board may have seen or owned in 5 frame and 7 frame sizes. Those seem to be the two least often encountered sizes that were made.

[Craig Larter]

A PGCA member owns a Grade 2 hammer gun 10ga 5 frame 34"bbls. So at least one exists, very uncommon from my observations and record keeping. My 10ga hammer gun is on a 6 frame but it is very late gun circa 1905 131021.

[Phil C]

I own a grade 2 Quality G 5 Frame with 36” Damascus barrels top action hammer gun. Special ordered with 3” chambers and patterned for #8 shot 200 pellets at 45 yards.
2 3/4” drop at comb. 12 lbs 14 oz.

[JAMES HALL]

I own a grade 3 top lever hammer five frame with 32 inch barrels. In was ordered by a man by the name of Spencer Kellogg. If you check him out you might find where some of the finishes of the wood could have been supplied by.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Phillip Carr

I own a grade 2 Quality G 5 Frame with 36” Damascus barrels top action hammer gun. Special ordered with 3” chambers and patterned for #8 shot 200 pellets at 45 yards.
2 3/4” drop at comb. 12 lbs 14 oz.

Does your gun have the radius between breechface and water table ?

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by JAMES HALL

I own a grade 3 top lever hammer five frame with 32 inch barrels. In was ordered by a man by the name of Spencer Kellogg. If you check him out you might find where some of the finishes of the wood could have been supplied by.

Jimmy does your Grade 3 have the radius between breechface and water table ?

[JAMES HALL]

Serial no.50697. Has radius

[Phil C]

SN # 60065 has radius.

[Bill Murphy]

The "rumored" #8 frame gun was actually a late #7 frame fluid steel hammer gun with the gauge marking "8" on the rear lug. There is not a true #8 frame gun as far as we know.

[charlie cleveland]

i have a lifter with 7 frame size....also 2 hammer guns with 6 frame size in 8 ga...charlie