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My first American double was a Pre-War Winchester Model 24 in 20 gauge in near mint condition. The 12s and 16s were awkward clubs, but the 20 was okay. I used RST 2-1/2" Paper Lites with 7-1/2 shot. They make great ammo. I only wish they made 2-5/8" 10 gauge shells for my Lifter!