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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:36 pm |
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| Thanks Larry, very nice 20ga.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:39 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: If anyone wants one, the ex-Vincent Holmes CHE Bernard 12ga is still for sale at Cabelas Dundee.
Bruce, is that his two-barrel set or is it a different one?
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:48 pm |
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| The "Gold Hearts" gun has a factory original gold heart in the ball grip and is the only D Grade gun I have seen with gold in the ball. I can't post pictures, but Austin may have some to post from the Parker Pages article on the gun. By the way, the restoration of "Cisco", the "Gold Hearts" gun, is complete and it was on display at the Southern. Don't panic, the restoration was limited to barrel refinishing, both steel and Damascus, and restoration of the skeleton buttplate. All of the gold plating remains in well worn original condition, and the wood has not been touched.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:03 pm |
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Your gun will likely be in the range between 86,811 and 156,622, before the C fluid steel changed to Acme. If you are saying that the dog engraving on the side panel is toward the back frame edge, that is uncommon. I have seen it before, but it is unusual. But, there is much variation in C's, and that's what makes them so interesting.
One author wrote that C's are different than D's only because they have a band of engraving at the rear frame edge, otherwise, he could not tell the difference. To me, nothing could be further from the truth, or he must have looked at only a couple C's.
Here is SN 65,557, a 12/10 set, with the usual side engraving. Sorry about the barrel breach gap. I have to push the top lever over on this one to close the gap, and didn't when I took the photo. This one has been my and before me, Austin's, project gun. Its a two barrel set with the others being 26" 10ga damascus.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:07 pm |
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Dean, that is a single double barrel. Its been at Cabelas for quite a while.
Here is SN 136,503, a 12ga, also with the most common variety of side panel engraving. I also have a 16ga CHE with a 121 SN, same style side panel engraving. This style of engraving stayed relatively constant through the end, to 241,601. I see no need to post additional photos of those because they show the dogs in the same position.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:39 pm |
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Bruce ; I will try to post a decent Pic. the gun has been recolored and I am not sure if the engraving has been polished thin or the darker colors of the gun ,but it is very hard to get a good Pic. of the engraving, the engraving feels deep to the touch but ,still it is difficult to get a good pic. Russ
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:51 pm |
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Well , I gave it a go , this is the first of three ,
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:51 pm |
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:52 pm |
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Bottom, and last.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 03:08 pm |
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Its a nice gun with good engraving Russ. Too bad it got bit by the tiger, but the colors can be toned down if you want without harm to the engraving.
It is the unusual engraving, and the floor plate engraving is very nice also. I love looking at these C's, so well done and so much variety. I have a perfect wood duck on the bottom of a 20ga and Tom Carter has a perfect little woodcock on the bottom of a 12ga. I always thought it should be the other way around, but who can tell how Parker or its customers chose engraving themes ?
I would call yours a variation on the rondel style, Russ. Its just like this one without the circle around the picture. This is 20ga SN 121, 835. I suspect yours is the same time period. The dogs appear to be done by the same hand. I'd be interested in your SN or date, suspect its 1900-1905.
You have a wonderful gun, Russ.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 03:34 pm |
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Bruce; Thank you , I knew by the posts the C grade guns are of interest to you,the serial is 121992, it is a 12 Bore 32 " gun with a capped pistol grip, and Titantic Steel barrels ,really tightly choked but it fits pretty well and I shoot it well ,I really liked your little 20, Ga. the first time I seen it posted and maybe you recall the thread ,I inquired then about it as its the first gun I had ever seen with the roundel engraving, you mentioned the Cabelas gun then and I contacted them and made an offer which they promptly turned down , after all this time ,maybe they wish they would have taken it ? I found this gun for a very good price and with the unique engraving style ,I just couldn't pass it up ! I agree with you on the striping ,it only shows on the left side, and not too bad when its away from the camera lens. Also the rest of the colors and the wood finish is very nice ! Russ
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 03:51 pm |
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They are special guns, as new member Brian Dillard and others have found.
The Cabelas gun is nice, its a 2 frame 12ga, over 8lb, Bernard. So many people want a light game gun, but that one could likely take store bought shells without concern with all that wall thickness. I know what they paid for it and its at or close to the bottom now, and I don't think they can budge on the price. I see all these posts about light loads for damascus, etc, etc, endless discussion, and if you have one of these 2 frame, heavier barreled guns, I don't think you need to be near as much concerned. I sure brought down a bunch of ducks last season with regular duck loads with the first gun I showed, SN 65, 557.
Your SN date is consistant with the rondell dates I have found. I suspect they were all done by the same engraver. If we only had more information and could tie engravers in the early and mid years to particular guns.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 04:03 pm |
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| Bruce, if that ever happens, we'll have a renewal of Parker interest similar to the copying of the records.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 04:33 pm |
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| Bill, I'm working on an article for PP that should help to put Parker engravers in a relative time frame with serial number ranges.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 04:41 pm |
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| Dean, we know of Gough and of the senior Runge, and I and at least a few others think you can tell the senior Runge's work by its styling, but everything between is a blank. I look forward with interest to reading your work.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 09:24 pm |
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| Russ, great looking gun. I too like the style of engraving with the dog in the rear. Don't see so many of those as Bruce said....though seems he has a few in his stable as usual. Last edited on Sat May 30th, 2009 01:04 am by Brian Dillard
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Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 01:05 am |
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Is that a flock of ducks on the bottom of that CH? That's a great look.
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