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Derrick Stewart
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 02:31 pm |
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How common is the round knob grip on hammerless guns and were these special orderd guns? It seems like all the ones i've seem are Damascus guns.
Cabelas has a 12 ga DHE on there site with a round knob grip and I personally like this configuration.
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David Purnell
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 02:45 pm |
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The round grip went well into the fluid steel era. In the serialization book, I believe it is called a "pistol grip" rather than a "capped pistol grip". I have one on a 1901 DH 12ga with titanic steel barrels.
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 03:09 pm |
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| They were common right through the Remington era. The (uncapped) pistol grip "P" accounts for probably 25% of VH and VHE .410 Parkers made.
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 03:26 pm |
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| Dean is right on. My capped pistol grip VHE .410 skeet is a bit of an oddity among the more numerous round grip .410 skeets. Large bore round grip guns in the fluid steel era are just as unusual. I have owned only one such gun, a 32" VH #2 frame 20. By the way, has anyone seen my old 32" 20 #153,333? I don't want to miss an opportunity to get help in my search. Yup, it has a round grip, dogs head buttplate and weighs eight pounds. Who owns it now?
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Derrick Stewart
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 10:22 pm |
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| Can we see some pic's of these round grip guns??
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David Purnell
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 10:59 pm |
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This is a 1901 12ga DH
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 11:00 pm |
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another view
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 11:40 pm |
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| I,m sure Dean would not mind me posting this picture of his lovely Bernard CH. Attached Image (viewed 317 times):
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 12:17 am |
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| Yeah, I love the round knob, especially with the gold shield.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 02:15 am |
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| Not at all Dave, but here's a better picture of it. Attached Image (viewed 293 times):
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Larry Frey
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 11:19 am |
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| Here's one for you Gill. Attached Image (viewed 260 times):
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Derrick Stewart
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 11:48 am |
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Thanks to everyone for posting pic's.
Dean, that Bernard CH wouldn't by chance have the roundel engraving would it?
Larry, tell me about that gun. I've not seen that one.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:03 pm |
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Several comments;
The rounded pistol grip is designated 1/2 PG in the order book and as PG in the Serialization Book, in distinction to PG or CPG respectively in the order book and Serialization Book for the capped pistol grip.
The clear order of buyer preference when the guns were made was pistol grip, straight hand ( or grip) , then 1/2 pistol grip. As the grades went up, the straight hand became more favored, in the B's and above it was about 50/50, but the 1/2 PG's still lagged far behind in popularity.
As Mr. Murphy pointed out, many of the small bore guns, 28's and 410's, had the 1/2 PG. It appears it was most popular with the light, small guns.
Dean's new CH Bernard looks to be an 1880's or early 1890's gun and is a true ball grip, the grip end having a more ball or round shape than the later 1/2 PG. You see the ball grip quite a bit in the hammer guns and more rarely in the higher grade early hammerless. Nice gun, Dean.
The roundel side panel engraving, from my investigation, is only on a minority of C's from about 1900 to 1905. I'm fairly sure about the end date, but less sure about the start date, and I'm interested in these, so I look. There are a few B's with the roundel in the same time period....the Annie Oakley B grade for example. If anyone wants one, the ex-Vincent Holmes CHE Bernard 12ga is still for sale at Cabelas Dundee. Larry Frey has one on a 16ga CHE Bernard and I have one on a 20ga CHE Damascus. They seem to be rare, or at least uncommon.
B's and above with the 1/2 PG had a rounded gold grip cap. These were usually plain, but some were engraved with scroll and some had owner's initials or presentation inscriptions. I don't own one of these, but they are particularly pleasing in my opinion.
Here is SN 157,539, a little sweetheart of a DHE 20ga at 5lbs12oz with the 1/2 pistol grip.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:04 pm |
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Derrick,
It's an AHE 20 with 28" Acme barrels. I've posted pic's of this gun before but here's a couple just for you.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:05 pm |
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:14 pm |
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Larry's A 20ga is a particularly nice specimen. Look at the fleur de lis carving, the indented side panel with checkering, the wood to metal fit, the engraving, the case colors, it doesn't get any better than that. There are other nice guns, but this one is clearly toward the upper end.
You see these attempted A grade upgrades, and compare them to an actual upper end gun like Larry's A, and the differences are quite apparent in almost every instance.
Here is the 20ga D from the grip down.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:25 pm |
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Bruce; My CHE has the dogs back on the " corners " of the receiver ,where the guns with the roundel engraving do , and also the Parker Brothers name in the scroll, but is minus the roundel ,It also has a Capped pistol grip, and CHE checkering ,but has Titantic Steel Barrels, have you seen this style of engraving before and do you happen to know any info. about it ? Russ
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