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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 01:32 am |
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Over the weekend, I picked up my first Parker at the used section in G.M., of all the places...
Though not 12ga fan, I really liked the gun and after 10 minutes I decided I had to have it. It is 1927 Trojan with 30 (exactly) inch barrels. Some case coloring on the sides, water table, forearm hinge, none on the bottom. The serial number is 224852. Wood for 80+ gun is in pretty good shape and I do not think it was refinished. It feels very solid with no play in action, lever is to the right. All serial numbers match.
Wood is a tone darker in reality... my flash ligh makes it brighter ....
I guess what I like to find out is:
- how original is it ?
- what is the amount (if any) I should insure it for ?
- it was shipped with Full/Full chokes, not sure what it is now. How would I determine it myself ?
- how would I determine if chamber length was increased ?
- if chokes/chamber still original, should I alter them ?
- can I shoot steel with it ?
Now, the good part. Here are few pics. Not sure how to post all pics in one posting ... Thanks for all the help:
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 02:19 am |
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| Mr. Robo, please read the very top entry on this forum entitled "Please Read Before Posting."
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 02:34 am |
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My apologies. I am not trying to hide my identity, simply following "normal" user name selection experienced in many other web sites. If you tell me how to change my user name to comply, I'll be happy to do this.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 02:38 am |
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| Robert, I believe that can only be done by an administrator. I'm sure one of them will read this and do that for you.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 04:31 am |
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Robert
It appears the only thing done to the gun was a little tung oil over the original finish. The value would be based on closer inspection, but between $1400 to $1800 for someone who does not already have a 12 ga Parker Trojan, less to others.You can buy a choke gauge and a chamber gauge from Connecticut Shotgun Company for $85.00. Leave the chokes alone and shoot Polywad Spreaders if you want an open pattern. No steel shot ever. Good luck and great shooting with your first Parker.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 12:37 pm |
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Pat.
Thanks for reponse and the good news ...
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 01:00 pm |
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| The apparent condition of your gun puts it into the "serious collector" category. The one picture shows either factory tool marks or an attempt to clean up the receiver using abrasive. It is probably a trick of the camera because no other part of the gun shows any attempt to clean it up. Send a picture of the trigger guard and receiver bottom to give us a better idea. A nearly new 12 gauge Trojan recently sold for almost $11,000. Yours looks like a $2500 to $3000 gun if you don't touch it with anything other than an oily rag. I may be looking at the pictures with a liberal set of eyes but I don't think so. You will get other opinions.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 01:10 pm |
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Bill
I'll get more pics tonite/tomorrow. Thanks.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 01:27 am |
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I have to agree with Mr. Bill. This gun is definitely not your typical Trojan. It has been used very little and taken care of - the opposite of what happened to most Trojans. Bill, I believe what you are seeing is factory tooling marks. There is tremendous magnification in that photo, and if you imagine that receiver at normal size, the marks would be so small as to be un-noticed. If you put most Trojans under that kind of magnification, I'd bet you'd see a lot of that.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 02:30 am |
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Bill/Jim
I think you are right on the money. The "scratches" which appear on the above pics are not visible with nakes eyes. I wear glasses and even 5 inches away I cannot see those with naked eyes.
I finally got snap caps and both triggers are mechanically sound.
On the bottom part, seems like someone was monkeying around with couple screws, those are the only ones which seem buggared.
Here are more pics .... thanks again for your opinions ....
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 02:31 am |
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 02:37 am |
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Here is the bottom with the screws I mentioned before ... also not sure what the blackish spotting is ... leftover after dirt/oil... does not feel/look like rust...
The wood "issue" to the left, right at the metal edge is the as bad as it gets w/r to wood on this gun... Seems as someone untrained was attempting to wedge before getting spanked ...
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 02:39 am |
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 03:15 am |
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A very nice Trogen. I would be proud to own one like it. I think that the spotting that you mention( and seen in the pic of the bottom) may be left from fadeing case coloring. I have seen a few like it before. Good luck with your new Parker and many years of good shooting.
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Posted: Thu May 29th, 2008 11:42 am |
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Chokes are Full/IM
Chambers are 2 5/8
Can I shoot off the shelf the regular 2 3/4 load ? If not, where
can I find what I need. I do not reload myself.
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 02:25 am |
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Robert, most of the Parker Trojan guns made in as late a date as 1927 have 2 3/4 " chambers. You might want to check that measure again. Many people shoot 2 3/4" shells in their 2 5/8" chambered Parkers. There is evidence that Parker intended 2 3/4"shells to be used in their 2 5/8" chambered guns. You will get more recoil and I would stick to low pressure loads. David
PS. B&P Makes a low pressure load sold as" Competition 2000" and I have measured the spent hulls and they are 2 5/8" . You can order these shells on line directly from the distributor. bandpusa.com
PPS I have Parker Trojan # 221993 which is like your gun, 30" barrels, Full & Modified , 12 gauge and it has only one draw-back, although I don;t mind , which is an added pad. Otherwise it is in similar condition. 2 3/4" chambers.
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 02:29 am |
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David
You are probably right. I measured agained and it is almost 2 3/4. I think it is about
1/16 shorter. Maybe it is my chamber guage which is basically a ruler which has some tolerance in it.
I ordered letter on this gun so I should have confirmation within a month.
Assuming those are 2 3/4 can I shoot modern loads or should I look for 2 3/4 low pressure ?
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