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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2008 04:58 pm |
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| At least I didn’t shoot it, I wasn’t even there!!! *wink
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 02:38 am |
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Destry: I told you I'd think of you when feeding the ducks. Here is a shot of about half of what was there when I showed up and it was -20deg. Someone has been going down and dumping about 150# of feed for them, so they were stuffed when I got there. You can see the remnants of the feed on the ice. Some guy started screaming at me from up the hill when I hauled my grain out of the car... "Didn't you see the sign posted by F&WService to not feed the ducks, he howled? I told him that perhaps they should have first asked the ducks about that plan and proceeded to toss grain, which I quickly gave up on as they were pretty full and ignored me. Same thing today. Someone is really taking care of them. It's a nice fat bunch of mallards I can tell you!
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Tom Flanigan
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 03:27 am |
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Bill Murphy wrote: Even hunted New York grouse with our buddy 160Frame this year carrying a ten, a little one.
Back in the old days, a ten for grouse was not that unusual. Before the turn of the century, Dee Slocum was a Pawling gunner who shot grouse for the market with a ten bore loaded with #10 shot. He gave up the 10 bore eventually and shot for sport and food in his later years with a Colt Damascus 12 bore. He never gave up on #10 shot for grouse though and swore it was the best shot size for this bird. I can't begin to imagine how many grouse he shot over his lifetime with #10s. He got my grandfather started grouse hunting about 1914 or so and sold him a Parker 20 bore VH that he didn't like. He thought that it was a toy. He picked up the gun from a fur trader as partial payment for a season's worth of fox pelts. Dee was legendary in the area as a grouse hunter and trapper. I had a picture of my grandfather as a young man and Dee holding the Colt but somehow it has been misplaced. It was a great old picture of them with a bunch of grouse and a spike buck. Dee looked the part of an old partridge gunner with his handlebar mustache and ragged cloths. I'll find that picture some day.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 12:41 pm |
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Tom, I have, through the generosity of Austin Hogan, a CH on a 2 frame set with long heavy Bernard 12ga barrels for ducking and short, 26" light Damascus 10ga barrels, choked IC and IC, for uplands. Both barrels have been refinished by Dale Edmonds. I will get some RST 10ga loads and give it a try on pheasant next season. I'm told that 10ga short, open barrels are quite effective on upland game .
The gun has an interesting history, came from Portsmouth NH and was used and , abused on the bay there, Barnegat? It hadn't been out of New Hampshire until I brought it back here. The Bernards are a bit loose because of wear but the Damascus barrels have little or no lug or bite wear.
Both Austin and I spent time and money to revive this old gun and its one I am confident could handle heavy loads, at 8 1/2lbs with the Bernards on. I've been using this gun and a GHE 12ga Damascus for duck hunting with factory loads. Its one of the uncommon two barrel set guns, another being a two barrel Bernard set 12ga owned by Vince Holmes, both barrels Bernard. I'm envious on that one.
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Don Kaas
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 01:15 pm |
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| NH has the Great Bay. Barnegat Bay is in central NJ and one of the more historical sites for waterfowling in America.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 01:43 pm |
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Can a person still duck hunt in New Jersey or is it all port facilities, docks, and suburbs of New York City?
I've never been there other than in and out of McGuire AFB for gas and go. Duck hunting there must be significantly different than our river floodlands and prairie potholes.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 02:32 pm |
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| Duck hunting is alive and well in NJ from Sandy Hook to the Delaware Bay as are other forms of hunting. Waterfowling along the deserted Jersey shore during the winter is especially pleasing. We hunt from Van Campen Heilner's old club Sandy Island G.C. sitting on 10 acres in the middle of the upper Barnegat Bay across form a large NWR on the mainland. The club has 4 members. The empty million condos along the Long Beach Island bayside intrude not a bit. Rail bird hunting along the Maurice River is likely the best in US. A few Saturdays ago, I was pleased to be a guest of a friend of mine who held a 1000 bird pheasant shoot on his 300 acres just 10 minutes from downtown Princeton for 16 guns-quite a time it was. The Amwell Conservancy with a 1000 acres just across the the Delaware from New Hope, PA is one of the finest upland clubs in America. G&H's Hudson Farms is a first class facility in the northern part of the state. We in the original 13 colonies make due...
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 03:13 pm |
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That's good to hear Don. Living out here we may get a slanted view of the old east so I'm pleased to hear there are still remnants of grace and culture. As well as good duck hunting. Too bad about the barbeque.
And I thought civilization as we know it stopped east of the Mississippi!
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 03:22 pm |
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When we want good barbeque we go to Memphis...and then hunt ducks at Beaver Dam...Crossing the Mississippi for any reason, in my experience, is rarely warranted...
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: Too bad about the barbeque.
Uh oh. Time to start a new thread.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 03:54 pm |
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There is good BBQ to be found in the comfortable confines of my home in Southern Illinois as well, but that’s about as far north as I’d trust it. The sauce they use on the stuff they serve at the Southern is what’s called “Cairo Style” and originated right there in SI. The World Champion BBQ team has more than once been from Murphysboro, IL.
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P.S. Though I will say that Mista Kaas does a pretty mean dry cure rack of ribs right there in Philly.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:12 pm |
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We could do better with a cooker in the parking lot than the greasy pulled pork and stomach churning vinegar served at the Southern. Barbeque is beef beef and beef in ribs or brisket slow cooked and slathered in a peppery, thick tomato based sauce.
That poor pig at the Southern is exceeded in bad barbeque only by the mutton served at the Moonlight Barbeque in Owensboro KY. I was there on litigation once and opposing counsel told me we had to try the mutton at the Moonlight. Little did I suspect he was trying to kill me off. I swear you could taste the wool on the mutton.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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And here I was thinking you had good taste Bruce. BBQ is dead hog my friend, and it’s either vinegar or dry cure. That tomato sauced cow pattie they serve around Dallas is for wanna be cowboys.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:26 pm |
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| I suppose when the grass is too poor to raise a decent beef cow and garbage eating swine is all you can manage, well, pigs, possum and coon probably taste pretty good if you put enough vinegar sauce on them.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:30 pm |
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Watch it boys, Greg may close this thread down with all the BBQ talk  I don't think anyone is going to convince the other about what is the best....but it is sure fun to hear you guys talk about it, I do agree with Destry it is pork not beef. Dry rub on pork baby backs is the best. Eric
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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It’s you boys out west that invented eating the Rocky Mountain Oyster, I rest my case. But then again, what can you expect from somebody that was raised in Lodge 90.
Destry
P.S. There ain’t nothing wrong with a young possum roasted with sweet potatoes. Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.Last edited on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:40 pm by Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:42 pm |
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Greg comes from land good enough to raise cattle, he doesn't have to settle for a pig.
I will admit to liking baby back pork ribs as a sometimes alternative to good beef.
Now Destry, Texans have to send the cattle north to fatten them. Its been that way since cattlemen Charlie Goodnight and John Loving figured they had to do something with their scrawny cattle. We fatten them up here and send them back to Texas so Texans can barbeque more than goat.
Destry there is nothing wrong with calf fries. Those fellows in Philadelphia think they have it all made with oysters from this or that polluted bay but they don't know what they are missing until they have been to a ranch barbeque.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:47 pm |
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Now there’s something we can agree on, bbq goat ain’t fit to eat. And mutton ain’t much better.
Heavy D
P.S. Believe it or not, I have a friend who owns a goat ranch in Mexico. We accuse him of selling the goats pre-Stump Broke.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 04:51 pm |
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Raising barbeque is a one step operation in the Carolinas. To clarify my statement, we don't have to run those porkers up Interstate 95 to Pennsylvania to fatten them up. Are they still running cows through town west of the Miss? To be honest, I'll have to admit being able to stomach more than one or two varieties of barbeque depending on where I am at mealtime.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2008 05:15 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: Tom, I have, through the generosity of Austin Hogan, a CH on a 2 frame set with long heavy Bernard 12ga barrels for ducking and short, 26" light Damascus 10ga barrels, choked IC and IC, for uplands. Both barrels have been refinished by Dale Edmonds. I will get some RST 10ga loads and give it a try on pheasant next season. I'm told that 10ga short, open barrels are quite effective on upland game .
Bruce, that sounds like a great gun. Those 10 bore barrels with 1 1/4 oz. loads should be terrific on pheasants. Any chance you'll be bringing the gun to the Southern? I'd like to get a peek at it.
I'm toying with the idea of doing some mid-west pheasant shooting next year. I'll probably only spend one week in Saskatchewan this year since my friend in whose home I stayed, died. Other folks up there have invited me to stay with them but they have families and so I probably won't want to settle in for more than a week. I might take that available week and head out to the mid-west. I've hunted pheasants since I was a kid but I have never seen the numbers of birds that are sometimes found there. I'll probably call Jeff Christie and get his advice.
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