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Mark Dube
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Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 02:41 pm |
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Has anyone seen a parker (in this case mid 1890's GH 16 "0" frame) with the triggergaurd engraved with the "Robin Hood" emblem etc?
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Don Kaas
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Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 03:22 pm |
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| As you may know, Robin Hood was an ammunition company duing that era.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 06:21 pm |
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| Robin Hood engraving? Is it a Lincoln green point-peaked cap with a pheasant feather in it, or a factory building by the banks of a stream in Vermont? BTW, I carry my lunch. KBM
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Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 08:16 pm |
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| I would love to see a picture of this engraving. Do you think you might post one?
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Mark Dube
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Posted: Wed Jun 13th, 2007 10:16 pm |
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Thanks Gents,
Don, That is the Robinhood that I had in Mind.
Kevin, nothing so glamorous, the sylized banner just like the banner on the Robinhood powder cans & ammo boxws.
John, If I manage to acquire it I will certainly share photos etc.
It is little better than a project gun, all scews buggered, replacement wood, dings & pits in BBLs. But it is a 16 ga GH on a "0", I figure the "Robinhood" is a plus, there must be some story behind it.
Any more comments or info greatly appreciated.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 02:19 am |
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| Certainly if you are able to buy this gun you must send for a PGCA Research Letter. Some amazing facts have been known to turn up in a research letter. Good luck. Last edited on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 02:20 am by Dean Romig
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 01:07 pm |
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| "Robin Hood" was the nom de fusil of a competitive shooter around the turn of the century, maybe some time before and after also. I do not know his identitiy. John Davis and EDM are keepers of the information on noms de fusil and may be able to help. If the engraving resembles the Robin Hood powder logo, it may be an ammunition test gun of that company.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 01:20 pm |
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| Eugene Pallete, the short, fat actor who played Friar Tuck in the original movie "Robin Hood" with Errol Flynn, Basil Rathbone, and Olivia deHaviland was a true Parkerphile and loved smallbore guns. He reportedly owned several smallbore high grade guns, inlcuding at least one .410 and numerous 28 gauges. KBM
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 02:48 pm |
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| I much prefer the TV version of my youth.
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Mark Dube
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Posted: Sun Jun 24th, 2007 08:16 pm |
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Well I brought it home, it wasn't as bad off as I had convinved myself. The home made wood & buggered screws are the only problems. Although little/no finish remains, barrels are sound, acceptable wall thickness, proper chamber lengths etc.
Could someone please look it up now that I have it in front of me and Dyslexia won't come into play. correct SN is 61885.
Here are enough photos to PROVE I am no photographer.
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Mel Drummond
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Posted: Sun Jun 24th, 2007 09:20 pm |
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Mark the Ser & ID book shows 61885 to be a 16 Ga with 28 inch barrels. It shows a capped pistol grip stock. I notice in the pictures your gun has a pistol grip stock with no cap. I am not sure if this means it has been restocked at some time or the code in the book is not correct. It show this to be a D2 gun, this would be a G grade with damascus barrels. It was made in 1890. That is certainly interesting ingraving. From the other post none of the guys that are really knowledgeable about Parkers has seen anything like it before either. Thanks for sharing it.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24th, 2007 11:45 pm |
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| The trigger guard engraving looks properly framed and seems to be factory original. Maybe the name has nothing to do with the powder company and the gun was really made for the famous archer of old. Get that letter and share it with us.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 04:41 pm |
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Better late than never:
February 23, 1902, The Anaconda Standard, Anaconda, Montana, "Messrs. Grannis and Ferguson, representing the hardware firm of Marshall Wells of Duluth, are in the city. Mr. Grannis, the regular hardware salesman, has with him the sporting goods representative, Mr. Ferguson, who formally represented Parker Bros., gun manufacturers, or Meriden, Conn. It is Mr. Ferguson’s special business to look after the trap shooters and others wishing to be measured for special guns or rifles of any make. As Mr. Ferguson, who shot under the nom de plume of Robin Hood, was for years a professional shot himself, his ability to do this work is unquestionable. They extend a cordial invitation to all sportsmen to inspect their samples at the Montana hotel."
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:06 pm |
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| Well, that tipped the scales. This gun was available for sale here in Canada. I've been debating with myself (and the wife) on whether I should buy it. While I was reading John's post my wife came into my home office wearing a new t-shirt with "Its easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" on it. I took it as a sign. The gun is being packed for shipping. I'll post the results of the letter when I receive it. Last edited on Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:38 pm by Bob Brown
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:14 pm |
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What exactly does the article that John found prove? A 12 year gap between the gun's production and the article may prove problematic. Hopefully, the PGCA records will provide a link to Mr. Ferguson. Perhaps it may have been shipped to Duluth if they were in business in 1890. Any shootable 0 frame 16 is worth buying at the right price. Good Luck
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:20 pm |
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| The sole intent of the post was to identify the man who shot under the nom de plume of Robin Hood. I believe Murphy raised the question.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:37 pm |
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| There is probably no association, but I was looking for an excuse to buy another Parker that needed work. I haven't had many opportunities to buy Parkers and the only ones I regretted, other than a couple that were way over priced, were the ones I didn't buy. I would have regretted this one without the engraving.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 06:55 pm |
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| The PGCA letter mayl tell whether our Mr. Ferguson or the Robin Hood Powder Company have some connection to this gun. I recently read what major company had Robin Hood Powder under its control, probably Dupont but I don't remember. John Davis usually comes through for me and did again.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 09:20 pm |
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| In 1900, "Robin Hood" listed his address as Springfield, Ohio when he signed up to shoot at the Grand American. This was from research material provided to me some time ago by, who else, John Davis.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25th, 2007 07:44 pm |
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| The GH 16 with the Robin Hood engraving arrived yesterday and I had a chance to go over it. It is in better shape than I expected for the condition the gun shop graded it. I also partially figured out the Robin Hood engraving mystery, the trigger guard isn't original to the gun! The serial number engraved on the outside of the guard is worn to the point of being unreadable, but inside it has 88,761 stamped on it. Don was right on with the dates being off for the 16 gauge to be Ferguson's gun, the book show the guard was made in 1898. The gun it came off is listed as a TI5, hammerless, no extras, capped, 12 gauge with 30" barrels. A BH like that sounds like a much more sensible gun for a professional shooter than a 0 frame 16 guage. No matter, she's a light, fast handling, shootable 16 gauge that fits me well and the price was right. I'm happy with her!
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