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daryl middlebrook
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 12:41 pm |
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TPS indicates that The Bros. Parker manufactured somewhere around 150(+ or -) 14 gauge shotguns. Were there other domestic or foreign manufacturers of 14ga. shotguns?
RMC will supply 14ga. brass for those that "roll-yer-own". Is commercially manufactured 14 gauge ammunition available from any domestic or foreign source?
Is anyone shooting 14ga. Parkers or they all wallhangers?
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John Davis
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 01:19 pm |
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| Daryl, did you buy that 14 gauge on Gun Broker?
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 02:32 pm |
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Like I posted on the other BBS, a trip to Briley's for a set of 28 ga tubes would be well worth the investment.
Dean
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daryl middlebrook
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 03:14 pm |
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I did purchase the gunbroker gun. Until it arrives and gets a good inspection, I will not know if it's a shooter or not.---Briley tubes are an option. However I have two 28ga. guns (one a Parker) that I shoot. I thought I might like to shoot a 14ga. if I can find some ammo. Shooting a grouse or two in 14ga. configuration would be fun.
The question of finding ammo without going thru the hassle of ordering custom brass and building loading tools remains. Gun inspection may resolve the issue in the end.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 07:17 pm |
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Ballistic Products sells some oddball shotshells but no 14 gauge unfortunately. That's actually the only American made gauge of paper shell I don't have in my collection.
Winchester made some experimental 14 gauge guns and ammo back in the day. I've got one of the shells, it's a all aluminum hull. You used to see these around occasionally, but I've not seen any in a long time.
You know what I've found odd....
These big reloading component companies mostly have stuff for 32 and 24 gauge guns. I know Precision Reloading and Ballistic Products both do. But I've never seen a gun for either of those gauges, though I do have American made paper shells in the collection. I have seen a few 14 gauge guns, but never seen any ammo available.
Anybody have a 24 or a 32 gauge in the closet?
DestryLast edited on Fri Dec 15th, 2006 07:22 pm by Destry Hoffard
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Jack Lester
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 08:15 pm |
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Destry, the last time I looked the Old Western Scrounger had some 24 ga. I don't remember seeing any 14 ga though. Jack
http://www.ows-ammo.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/33
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 10:48 pm |
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I think, Destry, that there have been one or two entries of both 24 and 32 ga at Vintagers for several years.
Best, Austin
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 02:17 am |
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Destry,
Yes I have a 32 gauge, with 30" barrels and my stock dimensions, its a Poli that I ordered from Rich Cole. Great little gun and out performs the .410 with the same shot charge of 1/2 ounce. Shoot it mostly on the Sporting corse. BUT its not a Parker!
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 02:56 am |
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destry.... here is a pic of my 24 gauge. it was my grandfathers.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 04:35 am |
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Oh yeah, I remember you talking about that gun on here one other time. I've never seen one in person, neat little shotgun. Do you ever shoot it?
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daryl middlebrook
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 12:04 pm |
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| Destry, You mentioned seeing other 14ga. guns.----Do you remember who made them?
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 10:22 pm |
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Well I've seen one other Parker 14 gauge that I remember well.
I've seen a weirdo hardware store single shot that was 14 gauge.
And I've seen one english double and one belgian double that were 14 gauge.
All were long ago, so my mind is weak on the names but I remember seeing the guns clearly.
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daryl middlebrook
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Posted: Sun Dec 31st, 2006 09:18 pm |
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So far I have found that UMC, Winchester and Parker all made 14ga. ammunition at one time. So far I have not found that anyone made paper shells. Does anyone know of other manufacturers or if anyone made paper?
The gun finally arrived. Inspection reveals it to be all original. 28" laminated barrels. A grade one manufactured in 1889. General overall condition is good with the exception of two buggered screws and some bore pitting. The extent of the pitting has yet to be determined. It will go to the gunsmith for a physical next week.
I have preety well given up on finding 14ga. ammo. IF I decide to shoot it, RMC will undoubtedly receive an order.
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Posted: Sun Dec 31st, 2006 11:13 pm |
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LeFever also made a handful of 14-bore doubles, and I have heard that a recent new review of the old Smith gun shipping records uncovered one 14-bore Grade O gun. I also own a 14-bore double bearing the name "JN Scotts". This gun has no serial numbers, no proofs, and the only other markings on the gun are the Damascus steel legend on the top rib. I have never shot this gun, but it is very nicely fitted, finished, and engraved; and was a quality piece that still remains in very good condition. The only thing I have been able to learn of JN Scotts was that he headed up a large sporting goods department for Simmons Hardware Company of St. Louis. Assuming there was a line of guns featuring his name, I assume this gun is imported and would speculate its origins to be English.
Regarding actually shooting a 14-bore, I have no experience as previously noted; but an Alaskan friend of mine does handload and shoot his 14-bore D Grade Lefever on a regular basis. The shells he uses begin life as 14-bore brass Greener police cases. These cases will not work in your gun as manufactured, the rims are too thick (so the breech cannot close) and the primer pockets too small; so he turns the shell rims to the correct thickness, and the primer pockets are bored to accept 209 size primers. I don't recall the amount of black powder used or the wad details; but he thoroughly enjoys using this gun, and has shared photos of limits of grouse and other game birds bagged with this gun.
One final interesting note; some years ago the local gun shop owner purchased the remaining inventory of an old gun shop operator who was retiring. Mixed within the odd items purchased was some old ammo that included a half-case of 14-bore Remington paper shells. The owner of this shop has since passed on; but his family still runs the gun shop and I know these old shells are stored there somewhere. I have asked about them several times since and get the same story; they just don't have time to dig thru everything to find them, but I hope to acquire them some day.
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I've got a variety of American shells in 32- and 24-gauge including a full box of 24-gauge Remington Kleanbore. They are in a cream colored box with green trim and green and read lettering, including the DuPont logo so after 1934. The load is 2 drams equiv. (22 grains) and 3/4 ounce of #9C. No shell length is stated on the box, but the roll crimp shells are a bit over 2 1/4 inches long, so they are likely 2 1/2 inch shells.
The only American 14-gauge shell to make it into my collection is a Winchester primed brass empty just over 2 1/4 inches long.
I remember reading somewhere that the old Spanish King (Juan Carlos' grandfather?) used a 14-gauge so his buddies wouldn't be bumming shells from him?!?
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Posted: Tue Jan 2nd, 2007 12:22 pm |
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| If I had a 14 gauge gun this would be a "must have" for me...eBay #260071588668
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paul harm
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Posted: Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 01:12 pm |
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| Daryl , don't give up on the 14ga ammo - reload the brass shells . A couple of dowels , one with a nail in the end , a hammer , and a block of wood or nylon and you're in business . Paul
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daryl middlebrook
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Posted: Wed Jan 3rd, 2007 10:48 pm |
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Thanks Paul. I am waiting for a report from the "gun doc" now. Hopefully I will order some RMC brass next week. I will keep you all informed.
Daryl
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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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| Iam looking for help with info on a j.n. Scotts double the gun must be 150 years old. I would like to talk to any body that has any info.
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Posted: Sat Jan 26th, 2008 11:35 pm |
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I saw a 14 guage model 12 Winchester at a gun shop in Fairfield, Iowa back in the 70's. the owner said it was a factory experimental and he had it at several gun shows in Iowa. I can't remember his name but he was big in the Winchester 21 collecting field.He had some very nice guns in his shop. His last name began with "S" but I just can't recall it. His collection of 21's was well known and their sale after his death was well publicized.
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