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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Dec 13th, 2006 11:26 pm |
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| After reading so much about the Thom guns in Baer, it was a surprise to find Thom in an old NSSA average book while I was doing some research unrelated to Parkers. Apparently the great old A-1 was actually used in competition.
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Tom Leshinsky
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 12:01 am |
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| Why did they pull the post about WHO actually made the not real czar gun? Did he himself do the work ? I never picture him as that good a craftsman. What's with all this secret stuff about the gun anyway?
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Scott Groff
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 01:02 am |
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| I agree with Tom. Whats the deal, if a guy makes a fake I would like to know also and who the maker is. I was interested in a Sousa grade double that, come to find out, was a fake. If it wasnt for honest people who are in the know the rest of us that support the trade will get screwed.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 01:25 am |
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| The outcome of the case in question was something like "Now boys, play nicely." I have not read the case although it is public information, but I assume the judge thought that there was much less fraud than greed involved. I know both parties, have for many years, and it would be a tossup trying to decide who was right or wrong, innocent or guilty. They're both OK guys and apparently the judge thought so too.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 03:07 am |
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Just to be there at the Julia auction to witness the bidding on this storied A1S would be well worth the price of admission. Unfortunately, it will probably be won by a telephone bidder and we may still be in the dark for another ninety years as to the identity of the new owner.  Last edited on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 03:08 am by Dean Romig
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Kevin McCormack
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 12:31 pm |
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| The Wah King Thom A-1 Special went for $75K the last time it was offered at auction, considerably less than the previous time it sold. I examined it closely during that earlier auction preview and it truly was a wonderful gun in excellent original condition at that time. It will be interesting to see what the Czar's gun goes for. I always imagined the third Invincible would have brought much, much more than it fetched at Butterfield's ($167K) when our friend up in CT bagged it for Bob Petersen, replacement stock notwithstanding. KBM
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 01:19 pm |
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| Every time one of these "key guns" comes up at auction, I wander down to the basement to make sure the For Sale sign is still leaning against the furnace. However, due to the downturn of the housing market, I may have to sell a few shotguns in addition to the house. I got $1000 for the Suburban and the next week gas went down to $2.00 a gallon. The new owner turned down all of my offers to buy it back.
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Don Kaas
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 02:16 pm |
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Bill-does that mean you have a "casual interest" in the (never delivered but ordered by a staff officer to the)Czar gun? I mean depending on the outcome of the OPEC meetings, the condition of Hugo Chavez' bunions and weather in the Gulf of Guinea...
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 04:14 pm |
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| Don, I think we should consider a new title for the C-Gun. I recommend that the new title be "The Peter Johnson Commemorative". Of course, the word Commemorative is the kiss of death in the gun world, so maybe you can come up with something better. I only ask that Peter Johnson's name be included. We have to stop calling it the "Czar's Gun" since many of us think that it is not. Wilbur F. Parker claimed it was the Czar's Gun. If I am successful in my bidding, my new flyer gun will be known as "Wilbur".
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Tom Neely
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 05:00 pm |
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| I just visted Julia's website and noted that he had an estimated value on this gun at $225,000 to $350,000. I think this is very wishful thinking!!! We'll see what the market places on it in a few months.
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John Czarnecki
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 08:44 pm |
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| I would be honored to take this gun under my wing, bringing it back into Czar's realm of newbie Parkerdom...
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Chuck Bishop
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 08:52 pm |
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I'm surprised nobody noticed the obvious lack of "fleur-de-lis" at the side panel and the non-Parker checkering pattern! Could be a restock! Do you think Julia's would let me peek under the tang for the serial number ?
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 09:42 pm |
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| The checking and a few other aspects of this one are a bit of a dissapointment... I've seen and held ....in fact owned, better overall executed AA's ...Could the good colonel have SENT 'er BACK? Last edited on Thu Dec 14th, 2006 09:43 pm by Kevin Finnerty
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Thu Dec 14th, 2006 10:39 pm |
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Yeah, I noticed that in the picture as well. That there didn't appear to be an FDL on the wrist like there should be.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 02:38 am |
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Well, that does it! I'm not going to even bother bidding now. . .
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Fri Dec 15th, 2006 06:09 am |
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ME TOO! I'm not letting such a slouch of a gun pollute my collection of V grades....
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 06:32 pm |
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Chuck Bishop wrote: I'm surprised nobody noticed the obvious lack of "fleur-de-lis" at the side panel and the non-Parker checkering pattern! Could be a restock! Do you think Julia's would let me peek under the tang for the serial number?
Sure thing, Chuck - just bring your multi-bit driver set and a clean shop towel. I'll have the patented Kevin sear pin remover kit (rounded-end length of coat hanger shaft and serrated-bill needle-nosed pliers). We'll have that baby debunked in no time at all! (Eightbore, can you bring your hammer spring removal tool to help us out? Or is it out being used by a friend to disassemble another Lindner Daly?) KBM
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 08:28 pm |
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| Save your money and buy this one, complete with a walnut lily flower. Attached Image (viewed 351 times):
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 08:54 pm |
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Ok, so we're concerned about the lack of a fleur-de-lis. Let's not forget our world history. Remember a little fellow by the name of Napoleon? Recall the "minor" conflict between the Russians and French? (Scorched earth policy, 400,000 casualties, etc.) If you were an officier serving the great Czar of all the Russias, would you actually want to present him with a gun adorned with the national symbol of France?
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Posted: Tue Dec 19th, 2006 06:57 am |
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John,
You're smarter than I am!!!! I can't believe that didn't occur to me being a big history buff.
Destry
P.S. Well, being smarter than I am is pretty easy actually.
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