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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 02:26 am |
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Alan Webber wrote: I found this load in a magazine years ago and shot it out of my GH #2 frame for many years at ducks until steel shot relegated the load to high flying pheasants. I'm sure it would be good for turkeys.
1 3/8 oz of shot; 2 3/4 Win. compression formed case; Win. 209 primer; 39.5 grains of 571;Win. WAA12R; 1330 FPS @9,800 PSI. The magazine comments are:" Very uniform ballistics. A fine high velocity load. Author's favorite 1 3/8 oz load".
It's my favorite too and it's never harmed the turn of the century vintage GH in all the years I've shot it.
Alan Webbers load Has been my very best hand load for many years. I find that it works very well in 3 In. chambers. Excelant patterns and wonderful down range energy. Shoots well with a full choke using 5s 4s and 3s. I have shot lots of crows with a 1 3/8 of 3s. and no buffer. I like the old AA Case best of all. DCL
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 11:51 am |
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| Some time back, I mentioned the Nitro Cartridge Company's favorite turkey load, the three, yes, 3, ounce ten gauge load. Their closeout list had this load in #5 lead at about half price. While driving to a gun show a couple of weeks ago with a friend who probably kills more turkeys in his own yard than most people do anywhere, we discussed turkey loads. Now he is a sensible guy, and I figured that he used maybe 1 1/4 ounce 12 gauge loads of #6 out of a tight gun like most people do. Now this guy has a lot of Parkers and I assumed one of these was his favorite. As the discussion progressed, he admitted that he used the 3 ounce #5 Nitro Catridge load out of a Mag Ten Ithaca. I have a new respect for my old gun show buddy! Unfortunately, he had not discovered the closeout deal and had paid full price for his stash. The load is probably a very safe load with slow powder at about 1100 FPS. Excess velocity is not needed to penetrate a turkey's head. I would prefer about four ounces of #6 at about 950 FPS. On a clear day you could see the shot making its way to the bird.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 01:35 pm |
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Bill, You just made me spit coffee all over my keyboard.
Your 950 fps load reminded me of a Daisy BB gun which I shot until the barrel was completely worn out. You could see the BB in flight with no problem. To hunt starlings you needed a spotter, "ok Jeff, left 2" up 4", fire for effect".
I remember shooting starling that was clearly hit but it just sat there on the branch. Then he shook himself hard and we watched the BB fall out of his feathers and drop to the ground.
Out of necessity we invented the liquid "wad". When we wanted extra velocity we'd put a drop of 10/40 in the barrel every couple of shots. It worked pretty well.
Jeff
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 02:19 pm |
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| At 950fps, he ought to be able to hear it coming in time to take evasive action.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 03:29 pm |
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| Jeff, I guess you remember The Lovely Linda's Dad because he shot for many years at your gun club. On several beach vacations, he would bring the Red Ryder along to slay bread hungry decoyed seagulls from the upper deck of the house. The seagulls learned to relate the hit of the BB with the food. After awhile they wouldn't come to the food unless they were hit with a couple of BBs in the deal! After we ran out of food, they would just come for the BBs. Just like you said, they just shake them out of the feathers. The women were inside, supposedly dialing 911.
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Jeff Mulliken
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 05:58 pm |
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After working as an executive for most of his life my dad hung up his Brooks Bros suit, retired at age 67 and had a custom house built on the MD eastern shore. He wanted to do all his own finish work and cut the deal with the builder to price the job that way. In the process his skills became apparent to the builder and was talked into taking a job as a tradesman working a couple of days a week. (which soon grew to full time)
Now at the age of 77 when he and the other guys stop and eat lunch in front of these million $ beach front houses they throw pieces of sandwiches to the gulls.....and then shoot at them with nail guns. They don't hit very many but it sure makes the feathers fly. They are also likely to nail thier buddies into the porto-john when they get a chance.
By the way, he is in the best shape of his life.
Jeff
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 06:07 pm |
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Jeff,
We always carried the BB's in our mouths for extra lubrication. Only copper plated of course, the straight lead stuff would have killed us. It's a wonder the copper plated ones didn't. Just a bunch of dumb kids that were armour plated I guess.
We'd just have a mouthful and spit them into the barrel for reloading. You could get quite a few shots per minute with a Red Ryder doing it this way. When properly motivated, my rate of fire was amazing. Especially when Scott Williams had you pinned down behind the wood pile and was trying to hit you in the seat of the pants.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 10:46 pm |
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I had a low doller Daisey; loaded in the barrel shroud. My younger brother got a real Red Ryder with burnt empossed stock and raw hide lanyard on the "cocking" handle. We were shooting at tin cans at 30' and he went to check targets. As he bent over and his jeans thightened; the inevitable happend. I lost the use of the Dasiey for quite a while.
Any of you stuck a kitchen match in the muzzle of a Daisey to deliver a little misplaced pyrotechnics?
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 11:25 pm |
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| Fred, I've got a Red Ryder, I've got genuine West Virginia kitchen matches (they're illegal here in MD), and I've got time on my hands. How do you do this mischievous act you have almost described?
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 11:43 pm |
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| Just stick the wood end of it in your mouth to lube it a little and push it in the muzzle ( it's close enough to .177) and let it go at a hard (brick, concrete, dry wood) surface and you have fire.
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Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2005 10:12 am |
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Fred, I wrote a little story concerning well-placed BB's back in the early 1920's that Hubert would tell at deer-camp.
Hubert died in 1985 at the age of 78 I believe, but we used to ask him to re-tell it every year, so, I did my best to write the story. It doesn't have anything to do with Parkers so, probably isn't good for the PP but I'll send it to anyone who's interested.
Best, Dean
P.S. I wrote it as part of a book of stories I'm compiling for my family and friends about our hunting and fishing adventures there, in Vermont. "A Parker Perfect Morning" from the Autumn 2004 PP is included in the book. I hope someday to publish it in a very limited run.
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Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2005 11:27 am |
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| Tell it here, Dean. We've been on the same four threads for a week and a half. Start a new thread with your story. We promise to read it. Thanks.
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Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2005 02:07 pm |
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I'll try to load it on to a new thread as an attachment when I get home from skeet shooting tonight.
Dean
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Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2005 03:31 pm |
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| Dean, do you know where the "original" skeet field was? Has it been somehow recognized by the town fathers or the owners of the property? I am shooting skeet at 3:00 PM. I may be dead by tonight. We have to take every opportunity to shoot.
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Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2005 04:09 pm |
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Bill, I've got an idea where it is but I've only been in town since 1976 and am not yet 'up to date' on these matters. Unfortunately the Town Fathers have chosen not to memorialize the discharge of firearms in their fair town so, there is no monument of any sort and any records of such would require some serious research which I may take it upon myself to conduct when I can devote the time required. I am going to a game dinner at the home of a friend here in town (who has lived here for more than fifty years and used to hunt with his dad and uncle out in that part of town) and has said he knows where W. H. Foster lived in those days. I will ask him to give me the address or as close a proximity as he can and I'll let you know so you can find it on Mapquest.com or something. Knowing how open land around here gets gobbled up for new homes, I wouldn't be surprised if it now supports a healthy crop of new, million-dollar homes.
Incidentally, I'll be supplying the venison mincemeat pie (my own recipe) with hard sauce (wife's recipe) for the game dinner.
I'm going shooting right after work and shoot 'til 9 pm, clean up the skeet field, have a sip then go home. Probably won't get home 'til after 10 but I'd do it every day if I could steal the time from responsibilities to wife, family and such stuff.
Best, Dean
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Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2005 01:28 pm |
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Bill Murphy wrote: " I would prefer about four ounces of #6 at about 950 FPS. On a clear day you could see the shot making its way to the bird.
Bill -
You and I were at the same old-time card shoot at IWLA Poolesville MD so long ago I can't even remember. It was at least back in the late 1960's. Just for fun, I stuck an old Western 2 3/4" 12 ga. 2-dram, 2-oz. load of #10 shot in the left barrel of my first Parker I ever owned (ex-Paul Wagner gun) and let fly off the rest at the card on a stick at whatever distance they put them at in those days. When the gun went off it sounded like a loud fart, barely moved in recoil, and after what seemed like a full second, the shot charge hit the card, blowing it completely off the stick. When we walked out to look at the card, we noticed the stick looked like someone stuck the end of it in a table saw and the card itself looked like it had been run over by a lawn aerator with micro-spines. I figured out later that shell (the old pale red cardboard type) loaded about 1200 pellets of #10 going at about 750-800 fps. It was like shooting a pound of sand out of a propane cannon. As I recall, in addition to being a favorite railbird load in 12 ga, the shells were also intended for killing rats and pigeons inside the barn (no danger of blowing a hole in the roof or sidewalls since the shot moved so slow. I still have a couple of boxes of them on my display bookase in the gunroom. What a hoot they are to shoot! KBM
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Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2005 07:30 pm |
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| No one who hasn't actually seen those shells would believe them. We used to buy them from Kenny Haig at Front Royal Supply in downtown Front Royal, VA. They were stocked in Remington brand for card shooting in VA, the only place I have ever seen that load marketed. Two ounces of tens is a lot of tens. I have an 1889 Forest and Stream with a third of a page ad for Chamberlin Railbird loads. They were 3/4 ounce of tens in 12, 16, or 20 gauge, and 1 ounce of tens in ten gauge.
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Posted: Fri Apr 1st, 2005 01:54 am |
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Jeff, at the age of 50 I'm ready to hang up my Brooks Brothers suit and go shoot nails on the eastern shore. I'm also in the best shape of my life and would love to stay that way so give me your dad's address so I can apply for a job. It sounds like he's having the time of his life. I sure hope to be that successful in the next 5 to 10 years.
Doug
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Posted: Sat Apr 2nd, 2005 02:24 am |
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I started this thread when I asked members' opinions of a load that would be safe and effective to shoot in my 2-frame Trojan for turkeys. I am happy to report my success by attaching the photo below. I hunted this bird for a week, and even let him walk one morning when I had a bead on his head and the safety off but he was standing 10 feet outside of my self-imposed 35 yd. limit. I'd be happy to relate more of the saga if anyone is interested.
Jim
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Posted: Sat Apr 2nd, 2005 09:44 pm |
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Congratulations Jim! Way to go!
Okay, let's have it- the whole story, the setting, the weather, loads, etc. How long are the spurs, beard length, weight? One shot or two?
Great photo, too!
Best Regards, Dean
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