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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 04:13 am |
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Sounds like a plan my friend. What do we need to do besides me brushing up on my rusty turkey calling skills?
Are there permits to apply for or can you just buy them over the counter?
My long barrel DHE should do the job on a gobbler just fine. You can borrow the big 10 bore if you don't wanna risk Ol' Clunker.
I'll also have to invest in some camo. Being a vintage style gunner, most of my shooting clothes are just brown canvas.
Destry
P.S. If you'll recall, my pate is usually shaven so I'll have to leave the hair parting to you. *laughs*Last edited on Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 04:14 am by Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 03:03 pm |
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Fred; as you know I reload but what is FFG? I want to give Ol' Clunk a little sport on a turkey and figured on loading 1& 1/8 oz of #5's pushed by 20 or 22 grains of PB. I know the pressure is a little high (84-94 hundred psi) but I am not going to be shooting 2 or 3 hundred rounds of it through either. What is your wisdom on this load? Barrels at the breech end are a little over .125
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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 03:24 pm |
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Roger,
I'm not Fred, but he was telling me about a black powder load. Black powder comes in different granulations from fine to course and are designated by the number of "F"s, i.e. FFg, FFFg, etc.
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Fred Preston
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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 05:15 pm |
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James, I know you weren't looking for a black powder load; but, it was the only thing available when my gun was made and it's fun to try to keep it original. Though dirty, it's not much trouble for turkey; kind of like muzzle loading for deer. Sounds like your 30" #2 frame is much like Roger's "Ol' Clunker" in size and form. Roger has put 100s & 100s of rounds through his gun; and, he let me try it for 25 once. I believe his trap load is 1oz pushed by 7000-8000psi. With the chokes on your gun, I would think 1&1/8oz of 4, 5 or 6 at <8000psi would work fine on the big birds.
Roger, As James mentioned, FFG is a medium coarse, sooty, stinky, sulpher emitting soft coal designed to crud up and corrode fine old Parkers.
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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 06:21 pm |
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Fred And James, thanks but no thanks, no coal dust at this house, I can get me and Ol'Clunker dirty enough without the addition of black powder.
I swear that I have run more ammo through Ol' Clunk in this past year than was shot through it in the 104 years before me. I now have the drop adjusted to perfection for this lefty.
Destry, I will be seeing Paul in a day or so and get the skinney on turkeys location and feeding habits. I think the proper license is take your chances, the hell with tagging and other pain in the ****** regulations.
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Posted: Wed Mar 2nd, 2005 08:10 pm |
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| Destry, Roger is a man of sufficient dignified antiquity to entitle him to two Ohio turkey tags without cost. If you "call" for him, I'm sure he'll share.
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Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2005 02:51 am |
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Fred; I think I got the message. BTW tomarrow is DOM day and afterglow at my home on your way home. tata RogerCoger
PS. Only if you need the practice
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Thu Mar 3rd, 2005 05:53 pm |
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Fred you're killing me. *laughs*
Roger was telling me they had a class reunion awhile back and Jesus was there.
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Posted: Fri Mar 4th, 2005 12:23 am |
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You use my name in the same sentence as the lords. You (MH) move me far to the rear in years but at the same time elevate my character with such sentence structuring. It was a shame Jesus had no Parker for security and sport. Have you ever noticed he had a full head of hair under that halo?
Fred after todays performance with Ol'Clunker I am the one who needs all the pratice he can get.
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Posted: Fri Mar 4th, 2005 09:32 am |
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Roger, With Greg's guidance, I managed to stumble back aboard after the name change. All I had to do is "log in". Not as simple (for me) as it sounds. Having forgotten my name and number, I applied for the new ID and was granted such.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21st, 2005 01:16 am |
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Destry, Just bringing this thread back up top for you.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Mon Mar 21st, 2005 04:51 pm |
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The reason I was wanting to find this is because of a thread that's going over on the LC Smith site.
Guy has a 3 inch longrange model that he's afraid to shoot heavy shells out of. I got on there and said that if it's a heavy 3 inch gun it should handle anything you wanna stick in it but a lot of the fellows disagree.
I figured if they could read Mr. Lein's posting they might get their minds right that these guns were made to be used. His words illustrate that fact better than anythind I've read on the topic.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21st, 2005 05:14 pm |
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| I recently acquired a very nice Trojan 12 at a price reasonable by current standards. It's not all original; there's a Silvers type pad which puts the pull where I like it (all other dimensions are right too). The flats are cleanly stamped with 3" which I don't think Parker provided; but, I wouldn't hesitate to use on this tight and right #2 frame 7&1/2lb. gun.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22nd, 2005 01:39 pm |
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Just in time for turkey season, my old stocker finished my 1882 Grade 2 #4 frame top lever 10ga-all 11 lbs of her... He did a beautiful job using some very old York Cty. PA "english" walnut. A trip to southern Virginia is scheduled next month with a one bird per day limit. It will be a nice way to get the old Parker back in service with a 3" Fox HE as a back up. Last edited on Tue Mar 22nd, 2005 01:40 pm by Don Kaas
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Posted: Wed Mar 23rd, 2005 07:10 pm |
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In addition to shooting the old VH Parker mentioned earlier in this thread, I regularly shot a pair of 12 and 20 gauge (3-inch) Smith's. These two doubles received inner stock reinforcements in the early 1970's, and both performed flawlessly over the next 25 years using a variety of shells including 3" loads...
And just for the record, I only skipped school when hunting conditions were really really good. Those early morning shoots were usually followed by two youngsters rushing back to town for mid day classes, and then back out again to catch the late afternoon flight. Trying to be on time we always parked at the old JC-Penny lot across from the High School, where a flurry of peeling off our (white's) coveralls usually drew strange looks from bewildered onlookers. I would not trade those days for anything...
Shooting 3" loads in the old doubles is an individual choice. From my own experiences, I can say it's been done with consistency over a period of time with both Parker's and Smith's... The advertisement below is from a popular 1924 Sporting publication, and may dispel comments from folks who recently advised a gentleman against using 3" shells in his factory original 1930's "Long-Range" L.C. Smith...
Best, Chris
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Posted: Wed Mar 23rd, 2005 07:16 pm |
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Post this over on the LC Smith board Chris, those boys will love it. I can't believe they're all squawking saying they'd be afraid to shoot 3 inch shells in a gun that was made for them. You don't have to shoot the 2 ounce turkey loads, if you look around you can still find 1 7/8 3 inch fodder.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23rd, 2005 08:57 pm |
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Well, those Smiths must be better than their handlers....80 yds. Even Fox and Parker's copywriters weren't quite that aggressive. This past waterfowling season down in a pond blind near the Chester River on a blue bird January the afternoon action was, well, a trifle slow. A very large flock of hundreds of snow geese were feeding in a corn field opposite our blind. Nervous creatures that they are, the entire flock periodically lifted due to some unseen (by us) disturbance and circled the pond but to return to the same field a few moments later. After this occurred three times and the flock seemed lower each trip, my friend Russ and I looked at one another and said, "Next time". Normally we are pretty circumspect about the shots we take but afterall they were snows-the outlaws of the waterfowl world. Sure enough they lifted again and swung by us about 150 feet overhead. Russell and I lifted our Fox HEs and let loose with 1 3/8 oz of Bismuth #4s each. To our mutual astonishment , two unfortunates fell out of the mass of white above us. One was the largest snow I've ever seen and the other was a juvenile never to reach maturity. Elsie Long Range owners and Nash Buckingham may be able to take the "tall marks" with ease but we counted ourselves lucky. I would have sworn I aimed at a big one but I'm pretty sure the little guy was mine At least turkeys aren't moving too much when you take the long ones...
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Posted: Sat Mar 26th, 2005 04:33 pm |
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I found this load in a magazine years ago and shot it out of my GH #2 frame for many years at ducks until steel shot relegated the load to high flying pheasants. I'm sure it would be good for turkeys.
1 3/8 oz of shot; 2 3/4 Win. compression formed case; Win. 209 primer; 39.5 grains of 571;Win. WAA12R; 1330 FPS @9,800 PSI. The magazine comments are:" Very uniform ballistics. A fine high velocity load. Author's favorite 1 3/8 oz load".
It's my favorite too and it's never harmed the turn of the century vintage GH in all the years I've shot it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 12:23 am |
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I should be receiving my newly restocked CHE very soon and in time for spring turkey season. I am very excited about taking my first turkey with this gun, as I have never shot it before. I most likely will reload a few shells for Mr. Tom using Solo 1250 and 1 1/4 oz #5 shot or the Kent loads.
I recently moved to the Boston area and have been seeing quite a few turkeys around me but do not have permission to hunt anywhere, so I will most likely have to return to Pa for the spring season. Good luck to all!
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Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2005 02:01 am |
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Kevin, it is exceedingly difficult to gain permission to hunt anywhere inside of the Rte 495 circle. Those who practice archery are a bit more successful in gaining that permission but we, the shooting public who were once respected and accepted as quite the norm, are now ever made aware of the fact that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has become the bastion of liberalism in the East. Western Massachusetts is very different and is perhaps where you should focus your attention in seeking permission to hunt. There are still thousands upon thousands of open acres available to hunting simply for the asking but, Ma. law states that you must have written permission to hunt on the land of another. As far as state or town owned public land which is open to hunting, I wouldn't waste my time- too many hunters already. This is why I hunt in Vermont almost exclusively.
But, I wish you well and I wish you luck and I hope you bring home a longbeard and a great story to tell us.
Best, Dean
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