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Derrick Stewart
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Posted: Fri Mar 24th, 2006 11:59 pm |
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I agree with Roger, what is the hold up?? Even thou I am a new member I was a BOD with a golf association that I was involved with several yrs ago. It seems like this idea has got alot of positive feedback. Agin being a new member I don't know how often the BOD's get together to talk about things going on within the PGCA but this is a great idea. Im not sure how I could help but I will go out on a limb and put my name in the pot to help anyway I can.
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Bill Zachow
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 12:20 pm |
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| bruce, to make the calendar a possible financially successful venture, consider selling advertising space on it for the name dealers. January might be Charlie Herzog showing off one of his toys with an ad in the lower rigtt conrner from Herschel telling you where you could get one just like it for a mere $125,000. etc--etc--etc.
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Greg Connors
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 01:13 pm |
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Here's my suggestion:
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Art Wheaton
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 04:12 pm |
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Gentleman all...
It may be apprpriate to acknowledge Kevins post referable to the calendar idea that was tabled some time ago...may I say our swamp was full of alligators at the time and we were most busy decentralizing the tasks involved running the PGCA, most of which you now see.
The BOD is certainly willing to take up the calendar idea for consideration and with a library from Chris, Destry and EDM to tap for some vintage shots it would be great. We plan to take up the issue when we can all be at the table just prior to the Southern.
Needless to say, there are a number of details such as single image or twelve images, just who will champion the effort and maybe Bruce has raised his hand, who does the printing, how many to produce or produce to order, mailing, cost/price, window to order and when window closes. None of it is difficult but it comes right down to who gets the assignment and remember that someone has to do it every year.
in terms of the financial condition of the PGCA, we have set a reserve that will carry us for one year in tough times, but above the reserve we must have working capital for the raffle gun, PP, membership person et al. We have outgrown our Tom's time availability to keep up with membership and are working on a person to do this task for us. Our members were 938 at the spring PP mailing but as Bruce points out our annual members are most important to the income line annally. We may need some equipment to do our certificates as the last one was at an ouside printer and paid out of operating expenses and we cannot expect some things for free even thought we are most frugal. There may be new horizans for the PGCA but we cannot do it without funding.
Thanks for all your input.
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 11:54 pm |
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Good call Greg, I'd rather look at Betty Page than Parker Pages any day.....
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Mar 27th, 2006 03:12 pm |
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Fellows, Art is right on and has the best interests of the PGCA at heart. I have been asked to put together a proposal and I will, and while I personally champion this , the board will have to decide and you know that money and expenses are always an issue. We are so head and shoulders above any other gun collecting organization....and I even think we have a better publication than the NRA, and we are alway looking for ways to make the PGCA even better....and do so within a budget. We put a nice picture of Roger the Coger and Old Clunk( pre redo) in this issue of the PP and I would love to see John Hickerson and his 16 and Gary Carmichael and his pristine P's and our members with their turkeys and 10gauges, and Destry with his blunderbuss, the gun, not the girl. But, we'll see if we can afford it. Thanks for your interest.
I saw Bill's comment and while some of our members are fortunate to have acquired nice guns over the years, and had them appreciate in value, I know that many still grab the old V grade when they head for the hills. Its human interest that I think we should pursue and pictures of nice guns alone would leave me cold. I wish we had more pictures of Oscar Gaddy, and Ed Kapelski, etc. Charlie Herzog with a beat up old 28ga holding up a rabbitt and surrounded by his beloved beagles....now thats human interest. Maybe we could lean on Lien for some old time Parker pictures.
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C Roger Giles
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Posted: Mon Mar 27th, 2006 03:30 pm |
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Art and Bruce your last two posts are the welcome sign of real progress and I want to thank the two of you for giving attention to this issue. I know it will be a big hit/winner for the club.
Please no pictures of Ol' Clunker in such a prestigeous to be calender besides it is not shooting worth a plug nickle these days.
IMHO the Parker collectors have plenty of Parker facts ready to be given out at the whim of anyone. The much bigger item I have been impressed with within the PGCA is the extended fellowship among the members thus a good time and fun all at once. I always look forward to any gathering of the PGCA just for the fellowship and fun.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Mar 27th, 2006 04:09 pm |
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| Yeah, Roger, we enjoyed your promised visit to the Baltimore show. See you in North Carolina.
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Tom Leshinsky
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Posted: Mon Mar 27th, 2006 05:45 pm |
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| That Picture of the 3 Invincibles like the one Galazan had on their 2002 calendar should be included for everyone that didn't get one. It made that calendar a desirable item. Whoever did that calendar did a nice job. Destry would like the April gun if it was plumped up a bit to 8ga.
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Christopher S. Lien
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 03:07 pm |
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Gentlemen,
On the subject of an annual PGCA calendar, and taking into account Art Wheaton's concerns of operating within a modest project budget, I have a few suggestions that may be of help...
For many years now, I have used some of the better Parker and double gun related images from our (1880's-1900's) hunting photo collection as vintage cover art for an annual single page calendar we send out to close Hunting friends over the December holidays...
My suggestion to the PGCA board would be to start out small with an annual single page calendar the first year, and if well received by the membership, it could be made bigger and better in the following years... If need be, the PGCA could also market these items to the membership at a modest price to help cover production costs... As for image content, the Board could vote on what subject matter would be most popular with it's membership and best represent the spirit of the PGCA organization.
Having worked part time in a large commercial print shop for a few years while attending college, I know the costs $$ can vary considerably with the choice of paper and the color part process involved with image and graphics application... We are fortunate to have a gentleman PGCA member (Brad Steinfeld) who is a commercial printer by trade in Louisville KY... Brad expressed an interest early on in this thread, and also offered to advise on cost assessments for this project... I would suggest the "Board-Person" in charge of this venture follow through and take Brad up on his offer to crunch the numbers for a run of perhaps a 1000? single page PGCA calendars for 2007... Brad might even have an old box of fancy heavy enamel stock tucked away in his shop for just such a project.
My passion will always be with the "vintage" photos that illustrate the history and function of our beloved "Old-Reliable"... In my opinion there is No substitute for old photos that show the "real" people of 100+ years ago shooting their double guns... These are also the same folks who carried and shot the old irons many of us own, cherish, and still shoot today...
I personally would be willing to submit a few original Parker related photos for consideration, and I encourage other members with early "Parker" related items and ideas to submit their thoughts on this subject as well...
Fortunately after many years of avid collecting, I now have enough Parker and Double Gun related photos to keep the annual "Dbl-Gun-Calendars" we pass out to friends over the Holidays going well into the next century... It is my hope the PGCA can come up with a similar concept for it's membership, and I look forward to hanging an "Official-PGCA" calendar on my Gun Room wall in 2007...
Best, Chris ~ CSL Last edited on Fri Mar 31st, 2006 03:14 pm by Christopher S. Lien
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 03:15 pm |
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| Great idea, Chris, since we are probably a bit behind the schedule for a twelve page 2007, especially in the "promotion" department. What do any of you think about a collage for the one page effort? I know an 8 1/2 X 11 collage would be hard to imagine, but a larger one may be viewable. "Crunch some numbers with Brad" is the start, as Chris suggests.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 05:04 pm |
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We are scratching our heads on format. What do think about Chris's suggestion?
A single page, large format poster style calendar, in the style of the old Remington/winchester/ Peters/ DuPont calendars with a single image at the top, maybe a classic sporting scene photo with a Parker, The Parker Gun header, months all printed below, and a border of ????( TBD) . Nice paper, and we would try to make this be a collectible. Would you pay $8, $10? Would you subscribe to it in a fall PP announcement? It would be as well done as the new membership certificate.
I had thought about a monthly photo of a member(s) with a gun, but that would be collectible to that member only, and I wonder where our most interest is?
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Gregory Dershem
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 05:41 pm |
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| Bruce, I'd pay $10 for either version. And I do like the one-sheet, trade calendar format idea, as something with which to decorate my hovel.
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Eric Eis
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 05:47 pm |
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| Bruce, I like the idea of the trade sheet calender too. I think it should be a vintage photo or maybe the squirral poster by Sharkey just my thoughts. Eric
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 05:54 pm |
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| If a multi-photo calendar is ever feasible I vote for reprints of photos of the original Parker workmen (and women) such as seen in TPS. The folks who struck barrels, finished stocks, cut chokes, engraving, etc shown in their shops. The guts of the Parker story. I suspect a majority of members have not seen these photos.
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Christopher S. Lien
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 06:18 pm |
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Bill had the right idea, and the "collage" suggestion is also an interesting thought....
If done right, the PGCA/Parker calendar could become a highly sought after collectible in years to come... As mentioned before, with a budget in mind, I would encourage the Board to consider a large single page format. A single image page of considerable size that one can see from across a room, or at least from 10 feet away would be very appealing. The smaller Jan-Dec pages could then be attached at the bottom by a pair of staples, much like the early 1900's calendars... I guess what I am getting at here is a nostalgic angle/look, similar to the early calendars put out by Gun, Ammunition, and Powder companies 80-100+ years ago...
A PGCA calendar is an idea that is long overdue, and an annual event we could all look forward to... Remember the scantly clad "Girly" tool calendars Grandpa used to hang in his garage?... Always in short supply, I have seen fist fights break out over who got to take home the tool reps calendar for the new year... Again, this is something that if done well could add great appeal and class to this organization... Please press forward and keep us apprised of it's progress...
Best, Chris ~ CSLLast edited on Fri Mar 31st, 2006 06:29 pm by Christopher S. Lien
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Fri Mar 31st, 2006 06:19 pm |
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I would definitely be in favor of a single page format calendar with tear-off months on a relatively large format like the sporting manufacturers of old used to do and would certainly pay up to say, $15 or so.
Let's also keep in mind the possibility of producing a twelve page, smaller format calendar similar to the CSMC calendar produced by Tony. These would probably be worth around $4-5 which I would also gladly pay.
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Derrick Stewart
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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 02:16 am |
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How about using a print that the PGCA already has the "Tarnation Print"?
Whatever the BOD's decides to do i'll be more than willing to purchase one or two.
Derrick
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Brad Steinfeld
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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 09:56 am |
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As a couple of you have referenced. I made note earlier in this thread that I am a large commercial printer in Louisville and have volunteered to help Bruce and the BOD explore this idea in any way that would benefit the PGCA.
Bruce and I have discussed and looked into several formats and ideas over the past few weeks and the bottom line is that all of the ideas ,suggestions and formats that have been brought up are easy for a qualified printer to produce.
It simply comes down to what is the most appropriate version for the PGCA given all of the elements to consider and certainly economics are a key part of that equation.
I am delighted as a "Greenhorn" PGCA member and Parker collector to offer what assistance I can and in a very small way show my appreciation to the PGCA and it's members who have been so willing to share their knowledge and enthusiasm.
I look forward to proceeding at that BOD's direction.
Sincerely,
Brad Steinfeld
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travis newman
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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 03:02 pm |
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| Could be something easy. I think the people would buy just about any kind of calender. Start simple and work our way up. Could start with different grades or maybe hammer guns or just hammerless in different grades, rare guns in each grades. We need something. Last edited on Sat Apr 1st, 2006 03:07 pm by travis newman
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