Stub Twist

[jefferyconnor]

I read the recent Plain twist thread plus I've searched through this site and am still thinking it would be interesting to see a close up of Nicely refinished Parker Plain Twist, Twist, Stub Twist and Damascus Twist barrels side by side. Does anyone have images like that they could post?

[Dean Romig]

I’m quite certain Dr. Drew Hause can accomodate you.





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[Breck Gorman]

Not hard to pick out the stub twist from the bunch. Who knew that the trimmed off stubs of horseshoe nails could look so good?

[Breck Gorman]

Double click for better resolution. There’s an 8g and a 28g in there.

[jefferyconnor]

Double click for better resolution. There’s an 8g and a 28g in there.

What a beautiful group of barrels! Is the stub twist the second from the right in the second picture, Breck?

[Drew Hause]

Very nice Breck.
The problem is that makers could, and did, mark barrels with whatever name they chose. Greener and others stated that quality horseshoe stubs were increasingly difficult to obtain after the mid-1800s.
So the pattern needs to be named based on the appearance.
The mixed iron and steel was "puddled" (partially melted) creating a "bloom of iron" before being rolled into rods, so the contrast between the components is less distinct
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BdbWHfJmr2EyvzcPybid7pwlEliH6m9pr1LxMESM3W0/edit

[Bruce Day]

There are various forms of twist barrels , stub twist from nail stubs , and plain twist , from short lengths of iron and steel. Then there is Damascus , which is long lengths of iron and steel assembled together then twisted into a ribbon which is combined with a paired ribbon and the paired wrapped around a mandrel. There are many forms of Damascus.

“ Damascus Twist “ is an inaccurate and confusing combination term which is improper.

[Richard Flanders]

Jeffery came over yesterday for a gunshow and brought a few real beauties. His 1875 stub twist lifter is incredible and must have spent most of it's life in a dark closet. Lots of color and gorgeous barrels with lots of contrast and nice shiny bores that have at most been very lightly polished. The bbls do not look like they have been refinished; the roll stamping is as sharp as new. No wood issues. It's hard to imagine a gun being that nice at that age. The flats and breech faces indicate very little use for a gun that old. He also brought a stunning grade 1 fish tail TL laminated hammer gun that have a Breck G refinish on the bbls. Absolutely gorgeous barrel pattern. It was a real treat to see these two guns. He also brought along a vintage 1890's? Remington S/S with stunning blondish English walnut stocks that seriously looks almost unfired and is so tight at every level that it is nowhere near even partially "broken in" yet. The checkering is even still sharp as new. What a beauty.

[Drew Hause]

Makers named their pattern welded and fluid steel barrels however they desired...always with an eye towards marketing. E. Heuse-Lemoine applied "American" names to several of the Liege patterns developed for the U.S. market.
When attempting to define patterns, it seems best to use the name that the original maker chose, recognizing that the same pattern might have several ie. English Two Stripe, Oxford, Hufnagel, Damas fer clous, Damas Crolle', Remington's Oxford 2 S.J. and some 'London' patterns are all the same stuff.

Baker named the pattern 'London Damascus Twist', which Lefever called 'London Twist', and others just 'London'

https://photos.smugmug.com/Gun-Stuff/Baker/i-pp6PFtR/0/5f5be9e6/L/1904Clung%20-%20A%26B-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Gun-Stuff/Baker/i-pp6PFtR/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/Damascus/Ferlach-French/i-3ff4p7m/0/90bf5875/L/P5070525_Lutticher-L.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Damascus/Ferlach-French/i-3ff4p7m/A)

[Drew Hause]

It is also important to note that the Twist and Damascus Twist 'lopins' were 'stacked' differently. Fortunately, an occasional rod 'end-on' as it was helically welded into the tube is seen, clearly showing the difference

Twist

https://photos.smugmug.com/Damascus/Lopins/i-ccCGWX3/0/cab4d69c/S/Meth%2011-S.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Damascus/Lopins/i-ccCGWX3/A)

Damascus Twist

https://photos.smugmug.com/Damascus/Lopins/i-6N8mjF8/0/5fbae51e/S/Meth%2012-S.jpg (https://drewhause.smugmug.com/Damascus/Lopins/i-6N8mjF8/A)