Low pressure shells

Rick Riddell · 06-25-2018, 02:30 PM

Was curious to see if I can generate a list of commercially available low pressure shells.
Unfortunately for me the only ones I know of are Winchesters Low Noise/Low Recoil. Aside from specialty loaders (RST, POLYWAD) are there any others? I saw RIO has a paper shell out the 1886 at 1100 to 1200fps, but not sure of the pressures.

Gary Laudermilch · 06-25-2018, 02:50 PM

I would not suppose that because the Winchester is low noise/velocity that it is also low pressure. Maybe they are and maybe not.

Ken Hill · 06-25-2018, 03:00 PM

Kent makes a 2 1/2" low pressure load. The problem is finding them. Fiochi makes a 2 3/4" trainer load.

Ken

Rick Riddell · 06-25-2018, 04:29 PM

The Winchesters run about 6000 to 6500 some hate em, some love em, for me they work fine, just messy! Curous to see if there were any others out there. I heard there is a B&P shell on the market that has lower pressures but not quite sure what it was called.

Edward Yager · 06-25-2018, 08:37 PM

herters low recoil,from cabellas

Harold Lee Pickens · 06-26-2018, 09:30 AM

Dont know what the pressures are in the Herters, so have not tried them in my 1875 WW Greener hammer gun damascus, I did shoot them out of my Fox pin gun and a light Ugartechea 12 and the recoil is light--but not as light as my 7/8oz reloads using either Red Dot or Win AA Light. Would love to be able to shoot the Herters Low Recoil thru my damascus guns to save time at the reloading bench with the Mec 600 jr, have a Cabelas within 10 miles of me.

Rick Losey · 06-26-2018, 09:54 AM

Low recoil is not necessarily low pressure

Harry Collins · 06-26-2018, 10:28 AM

WW Xtra Lite 1oz load is about 7400psi.

Loving to play "Damascus and Twist Roulette" I will shoot any 12 gauge off the shelf that is 1oz or less at 1200 fps or less. When I reload I keep it under 8000psi.

I am not sure about todays loads, but modest Italian shells as described above were kept at lower pressures out of deference to the many old guns still in use.

Harry

Rick Riddell · 06-26-2018, 11:01 AM

Thanks guys for your input, I did some digging and came across Dr Drew Hause's site with these:

Modern Factory 12g Target Load Pressures
FPS PSI
Factory reported
RST (2016)
12g
Ultra Lite 2 1/2” 3/4 oz. 1125 4400
Falcon Lite 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. 1200 5400
Maxi Lite 2 1/2” 1 oz. 1125 5700
Premium Grade Pheasant 2 3/4” 1 1/4 oz. 1200 7800
16g
Ultra Lite 2 1/2” 3/4 oz. 1100 4600
Best (2010 - replaced by Falcon) 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. 1125 7720
20g
Ultra Lite 2 1/2” 3/4 oz. 1100 6000
Falcon Lite 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. 1125 7200

Kent/Gamebore English Field 12g
http://www.firearmservice.com/shopsi...ml/page19.html
2 1/2” 1 oz. Traditional Paper 1295 6526
2 1/2” 1 oz. Pure Gold 1295 7832
2 1/2” White Gold XLR 21gm (3/4 oz.) 1250 7975
In 2018, Kent introduced the Elite Low Recoil-Training 12g, 2 1/2”,
3/4 oz., #8, at 1200 fps; product code #E122L20-8.

Rio 12g 2 3/4”
TLT28SUB 1 oz. 1050 6900
TLSK28 & TLT28 1 oz. 1210 7900

B&P 12g 2 3/4”
Competition One 24 gr. = about 7/8 oz. 1160 7252
Competition One 28 gr. = about 1 oz. 1160 8122
2016
http://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en...1/1/index.aspx
Convert BAR to PSI http://www.convertunits.com/from/bar/to/psi

Kent - Gamebore
Non-toxic 12g 2016
Bismuth 2 1/2” @ 1400 fps 1 1/16 oz. - 9800 psi; 1 1/8 oz. - 10,000 psi
http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/gam...mebore-Bismuth
Tungsten Impact 2 3/4” @ 1400 fps, 1 1/4 oz. - 9900 psi; 1 3/8 oz. - 11400
http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/game/12g-impact
Kent Elite 2018 http://kentgamebore.com/wp-content/u...talog-2018.pdf
2 1/2” 12g E122L20-8 Training Target 3/4 oz. at 1200 fps; 6700 psi
2 3/4” 12g E12L24-8 7/8 oz. at 1200 fps
http://www.huntstuff.com/products/Ke...0training.html

12g Independent testing
RST Falcon Lite 7/8 oz. 1214 5520
Estate Super Sport Competition Target 1 oz. 1192 8200
Winchester
(Note the Winchester AAHS 2-piece hull replaced the AA CF hull in 2004
and may have slightly higher pressures)
‘Low noise Low recoil’ 15/16 oz. AA12FL 980 6,200
Old AACF Xtra-Lite 1 oz. WAAL12 1,190 8,000
New AAHS Xtra-Lite Target 1 oz. AAL12 1,180 8,760
Old AA 3 Dr. Eq. 1 1/8 oz. Trap WW12AAP 1,200 9,600
Now listed as WAAM12
Super-Target 1 oz. TRGTL12 1,200 10,440
Super Sport Sporting Clays 1 1/8 oz. AASC12 1,360 11,660
Remington
Premier Nitro STS Sporting Clays 1 1/8 12NSC 1,320 10,160

12g Herters for Cabela’s 2016 by Cheddite, Italy
http://www.chedditeitaly.com/en/index.php
Field & Target 1 oz. 1290
Select Field Dove & Quail 1 oz. 1250
Target Low Recoil 1 oz. 1060 9,200 (tested)

A list of loads with shot and fps, but no pressures, including Hull, Eley, Lyalvale Express, Rio, Fiocchi, Gamebore & RC
http://www.justcartridges.com/cartridge-info/
Hull offers a “Subsonic (less than 1,126 fps) Very Low Recoil” 1 oz. 2 1/2” load.

Harold Lee Pickens · 06-26-2018, 01:04 PM

Herters Low Recoil at 9200 PSI would be above my comfort level by a few thousand PSI.
Looks like I will stick to my reloads, although the BP 24 g loads would seem ok,

06-25-2018, 02:30 PM	#1
Rick Riddell Forum Associate Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 653 Thanks: 339 Thanked 658 Times in 186 Posts	Low pressure shells Was curious to see if I can generate a list of commercially available low pressure shells. Unfortunately for me the only ones I know of are Winchesters Low Noise/Low Recoil. Aside from specialty loaders (RST, POLYWAD) are there any others? I saw RIO has a paper shell out the 1886 at 1100 to 1200fps, but not sure of the pressures.

06-25-2018, 08:37 PM	#5
Edward Yager Forum Associate Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 37 Thanks: 3 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts	low pressure herters low recoil,from cabellas

06-26-2018, 09:30 AM	#6
Harold Lee Pickens PGCA Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,007 Thanks: 2,362 Thanked 9,112 Times in 2,287 Posts	Dont know what the pressures are in the Herters, so have not tried them in my 1875 WW Greener hammer gun damascus, I did shoot them out of my Fox pin gun and a light Ugartechea 12 and the recoil is light--but not as light as my 7/8oz reloads using either Red Dot or Win AA Light. Would love to be able to shoot the Herters Low Recoil thru my damascus guns to save time at the reloading bench with the Mec 600 jr, have a Cabelas within 10 miles of me. __________________ "How kind it is that most of us will never know when we have fired our last shot"--Nash Buckingham

06-26-2018, 09:54 AM	#7
Rick Losey PGCA Lifetime Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 7,941 Thanks: 1,787 Thanked 8,566 Times in 3,352 Posts	Low recoil is not necessarily low pressure __________________ "If there is a heaven it must have thinning aspen gold, and flighting woodcock, and a bird dog" GBE

06-26-2018, 01:04 PM	#10
Harold Lee Pickens PGCA Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,007 Thanks: 2,362 Thanked 9,112 Times in 2,287 Posts	Herters Low Recoil at 9200 PSI would be above my comfort level by a few thousand PSI. Looks like I will stick to my reloads, although the BP 24 g loads would seem ok, __________________ "How kind it is that most of us will never know when we have fired our last shot"--Nash Buckingham

06-25-2018, 02:50 PM	#2
Gary Laudermilch Forum Associate Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,330 Thanks: 3,049 Thanked 2,113 Times in 676 Posts	I would not suppose that because the Winchester is low noise/velocity that it is also low pressure. Maybe they are and maybe not.

06-25-2018, 03:00 PM	#3
Ken Hill PGCA Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 800 Thanks: 1,093 Thanked 853 Times in 422 Posts	Kent makes a 2 1/2" low pressure load. The problem is finding them. Fiochi makes a 2 3/4" trainer load. Ken

06-25-2018, 04:29 PM	#4
Rick Riddell Forum Associate Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 653 Thanks: 339 Thanked 658 Times in 186 Posts	The Winchesters run about 6000 to 6500 some hate em, some love em, for me they work fine, just messy! Curous to see if there were any others out there. I heard there is a B&P shell on the market that has lower pressures but not quite sure what it was called.

06-26-2018, 10:28 AM	#8
Harry Collins PGCA Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,942 Thanks: 10,295 Thanked 1,820 Times in 752 Posts	WW Xtra Lite 1oz load is about 7400psi. Loving to play "Damascus and Twist Roulette" I will shoot any 12 gauge off the shelf that is 1oz or less at 1200 fps or less. When I reload I keep it under 8000psi. I am not sure about todays loads, but modest Italian shells as described above were kept at lower pressures out of deference to the many old guns still in use. Harry

06-26-2018, 11:01 AM	#9
Rick Riddell Forum Associate Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 653 Thanks: 339 Thanked 658 Times in 186 Posts	Thanks guys for your input, I did some digging and came across Dr Drew Hause's site with these: Modern Factory 12g Target Load Pressures FPS PSI Factory reported RST (2016) 12g Ultra Lite 2 1/2” 3/4 oz. 1125 4400 Falcon Lite 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. 1200 5400 Maxi Lite 2 1/2” 1 oz. 1125 5700 Premium Grade Pheasant 2 3/4” 1 1/4 oz. 1200 7800 16g Ultra Lite 2 1/2” 3/4 oz. 1100 4600 Best (2010 - replaced by Falcon) 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. 1125 7720 20g Ultra Lite 2 1/2” 3/4 oz. 1100 6000 Falcon Lite 2 1/2” 7/8 oz. 1125 7200 Kent/Gamebore English Field 12g http://www.firearmservice.com/shopsi...ml/page19.html 2 1/2” 1 oz. Traditional Paper 1295 6526 2 1/2” 1 oz. Pure Gold 1295 7832 2 1/2” White Gold XLR 21gm (3/4 oz.) 1250 7975 In 2018, Kent introduced the Elite Low Recoil-Training 12g, 2 1/2”, 3/4 oz., #8, at 1200 fps; product code #E122L20-8. Rio 12g 2 3/4” TLT28SUB 1 oz. 1050 6900 TLSK28 & TLT28 1 oz. 1210 7900 B&P 12g 2 3/4” Competition One 24 gr. = about 7/8 oz. 1160 7252 Competition One 28 gr. = about 1 oz. 1160 8122 2016 http://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en...1/1/index.aspx Convert BAR to PSI http://www.convertunits.com/from/bar/to/psi Kent - Gamebore Non-toxic 12g 2016 Bismuth 2 1/2” @ 1400 fps 1 1/16 oz. - 9800 psi; 1 1/8 oz. - 10,000 psi http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/gam...mebore-Bismuth Tungsten Impact 2 3/4” @ 1400 fps, 1 1/4 oz. - 9900 psi; 1 3/8 oz. - 11400 http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/game/12g-impact Kent Elite 2018 http://kentgamebore.com/wp-content/u...talog-2018.pdf 2 1/2” 12g E122L20-8 Training Target 3/4 oz. at 1200 fps; 6700 psi 2 3/4” 12g E12L24-8 7/8 oz. at 1200 fps http://www.huntstuff.com/products/Ke...0training.html 12g Independent testing RST Falcon Lite 7/8 oz. 1214 5520 Estate Super Sport Competition Target 1 oz. 1192 8200 Winchester (Note the Winchester AAHS 2-piece hull replaced the AA CF hull in 2004 and may have slightly higher pressures) ‘Low noise Low recoil’ 15/16 oz. AA12FL 980 6,200 Old AACF Xtra-Lite 1 oz. WAAL12 1,190 8,000 New AAHS Xtra-Lite Target 1 oz. AAL12 1,180 8,760 Old AA 3 Dr. Eq. 1 1/8 oz. Trap WW12AAP 1,200 9,600 Now listed as WAAM12 Super-Target 1 oz. TRGTL12 1,200 10,440 Super Sport Sporting Clays 1 1/8 oz. AASC12 1,360 11,660 Remington Premier Nitro STS Sporting Clays 1 1/8 12NSC 1,320 10,160 12g Herters for Cabela’s 2016 by Cheddite, Italy http://www.chedditeitaly.com/en/index.php Field & Target 1 oz. 1290 Select Field Dove & Quail 1 oz. 1250 Target Low Recoil 1 oz. 1060 9,200 (tested) A list of loads with shot and fps, but no pressures, including Hull, Eley, Lyalvale Express, Rio, Fiocchi, Gamebore & RC http://www.justcartridges.com/cartridge-info/ Hull offers a “Subsonic (less than 1,126 fps) Very Low Recoil” 1 oz. 2 1/2” load.