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Sounds like a good turkey gun too
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08-09-2013, 09:46 AM | #4 | ||||||
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i m out of no 4 buck at the moment maybe i can find a coupla factory shells and take the no 4 buck out and handload a coupla and see what they ll do at the 40 yard mark.. charlie
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08-09-2013, 10:25 AM | #5 | |||||||
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HOWEVER, I am wondering about your pellet count for a 1 1/8 ounce load of 7.5 shot. You stated 342 pellets. There are supposed to be 350 number 7.5's to the ounce. If you shot a 1 1/8 ounce load there should have been about 394 pellets. That would have given you a pattern of 79.7%, which is still dam good for a 12ga at 40 yards and inside a 28" circle. Maybe you shot a 1 ounce load of 7.5's, if so you have the tightest shooting 12ga I have heard of or come across. |
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pete i looked up the pellet count on tatums list of no 7 1/2 shot and i came up with the sabout the same count you have for a ounce of 7 1/2 s. but i must state i made a errer in the name of shells used they are winchester universal loads ones with the steel heads..the load i stated is correct 3 dr eq 1 1/8 ounce of 7 1/2..this was the shell that was used for patterning..i cut open 2 of these shells one had a pellet count of 342 the other 345.. the reason i used a 28 inch circle is because i have a few thousand of these cardboard circles given to me by a friend.. maybe i should weigh the contents of one of these shells..im gonna go weigh one rite now..ya no pete now i m gonna have too reshoot this old smith in the 30 inch circle... charlie
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08-09-2013, 01:03 PM | #7 | ||||||
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i just weighed the shot in one of these shells it weighed 476 grains whichequals close to a 1 1/8 ounce.the ounnces of shot in the shell is correct but the pellet count does not come up right..i just counted t14hese i weighed twice.i came up with same no twice of 345 number of pellets...i ve counted 3 of these shells pellets and the number count has been 342 344 345 so if i divide 314 the number of hits in the 28 inch circle by the pellet count of 342 the calulator comes up with 91.5 percent... only thing i can figure out about the pellet count not coming up to par with factory figures is that the pellets in the shell must be closer to the size of a no 7 shot instead of the number 7/1/2 which is stated on the shell and box... the pellets in these shells are irruglar some are a slight bit bigger than others.. but i will shoot a 30 inch circle to see if i can bring the percentage up.. charlie
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08-09-2013, 01:29 PM | #8 | ||||||
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The number of holes divided by the count gives you the percenage, regardless of the size of the shot. 91 is one great pattern.
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08-09-2013, 01:36 PM | #9 | ||||||
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I agree Charlie the pellets have to be closer to 7 than 7.5 to be that weight with that number of pellets.
Your a patient man to hand count them like that. I weigh 10 pellets to get a per pellet average weight. Then divide that number into the actual weight of the full shot charge to determine how many pellets are in a load. Bill I agree a 12ga shooting 90% and better is phenomenal. I wanted to check in with Charlie because of the disparity between his pellet count and his stated weight for the shot size used. Charlie I think you would pick up a few more pellets in the circle when the circle is 30" instead of 28". Let us know as that sounds like a great gun for long range. I have been thinking about taking the load I used where I got 93% and using copper coated shot and buffer to see if it could be tightened up even further. I'll do that another day as it is pouring here now. |
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08-09-2013, 05:35 PM | #10 | ||||||
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Charlie, if you have the ability to take the measurements I would be interested to know; the bore diameter, amount of choke constriction and length of choke taper in those Elsie barrels. I wonder if it has a long force cone too.
Any gun that can shoot a 90+% pattern at 40 yards is a helluva shotgun! I don't think I have heard of 12ga that could do it that I can recall, anyone have a 12 bore here that can do that? Scott K. had a NID Super Ten that was able to shoot 100%. He said it was hard gun to hit anything with and sold it. |
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