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Unread 07-09-2023, 06:07 AM   #11
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Guy de la Valdene wrote that on reflection he was certain he had hit 65% of birds he shot at over the years, WITH AT LEAST ONE PELLET!
Ive never read a more convincing argument for tight chokes and sure shots. Enjoy your new Parker.
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Unread 07-09-2023, 07:28 AM   #12
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Mudbats is one of my friend Mike's favorite words and he uses it often "for effect"; and despite many comments and feedback he continues and isn't likely to acquiesce for a less derogatory term for the noble gamebird.
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I would take several different loads, including spreader, and pattern them yourself. Remember that patterning only gives you a 2 dimensional result. And pattern them at the ranges you typically shoot the type of bird you are hunting. Results might surprise you.
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I just let the birds get a little further. No sweat
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The instruction book for Springer Field Trial guns specifies "Fixed breech, fully choked". But then again,our job was to kill the birds as far away from the dogs as possible so as to see if the dog could mark and retrieve
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The saying is: "open chokes help a poor shooter, and hurts a good shooter ". So, conversely "tight chokes help a good shooter and hurts a poor shooter".
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The saying is: "open chokes help a poor shooter, and hurts a good shooter ". So, conversely "tight chokes help a good shooter and hurts a poor shooter".
I’ll buy that as history atleast in my clay target life would lead me to believe that .
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I use some extremely tightly choked guns for hunting, very often. I shoot doves a lot and have been known to use my HE Fox with it's very tightly choked barrels. In those tightly constricted guns I favor a Fiocchi Interceptor 1 oz. spreader load in the right barrel when I do so, in guns stout enough to handle a few of those higher pressure loads. Works very well on doves out to about 30 yds., or so.

Now, my quail guns are "appropriately choked", but i actually prefer the very tight chokes in my duck guns for all kinds of ducking except shooting woodies coming into beaver ponds at first light. They will often be in yo' face.
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I'll bet that probably a million or so now-passed American hunters who are reading sporting posts while in the great beyond are laughing their arses off. Mod and Full were the hands down choice for generations to put seasonal protein on the table and while overchoked for woodcock and such the standard practice was to let close uns get out a bit. Sure, some used specialized guns with more open chokes to good effect and primarily on close in game. But nowadays it seems that open chokes are the norm for most everything and especially so by those who shoot infrequently and haven't really taken the time nor have the desire to learn to shoot. Live animals aren't clay birds and we want to be humane sportsmen/women. The OP asked about a 16b/28" with Mod & Full chokes to be used mainly for pheasants and I'd be hard pressed to pick a more effective gun and choke combo for typical pheasant hunting. All this JMO of course.
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I agree with the comment about pheasants however, where many of us hunt, should you wait till the, "...close uns get out a bit..." I fear you will lose sight of them in a hurry. The first 10 days to 2 weeks of woodcock and grouse where I hunt one rarely sees an escaping bird beyond 10-15 yards through poplar, primary growth and tangles of hops. For open country and later season hunts mod and full is a good choice if it patterns well with your ammo. Certainly respect others opinions tho. I'm not an expert shooter and rarely do my inexpensive guns fit well especially in cold weather with extra layers. I think a person needs to feel comfortable and confident with their shotgun more than anything.
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