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Unread 04-29-2013, 10:37 AM   #11
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A Parker .410 restored by a gunsmith whose work looks "beautiful", but no one has heard of him, would be worth thousands less than one restored by someone like Turnbull Restorations.
That unheard of gunsmith wouldn't be unheard of for long if he did beautiful restorations. I think Turnbull should stick to Colts and Winchesters, and leave the Parkers to others.
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That could bring us to another discussion on another thread. "Who does the best restoration work on high dollar Parkers?" Thanks, Edgar.
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That would probably get everyone wound up. There are some super good looking guns that have been done to the nines by names we recognize. Often times however, the ones that look wrong in our own minds stick out. It's a personal thing to most of us, but more subjective when held against guns which retain nearly all their original finish. Case hardening colors seem to be more debated on the lower grade frames, with less engraving coverage, and even they vary considerably between early, Meriden work compared to later Remington work. Having now managed to get a hold of something virtually new, I'm liking moderately used guns even better.
If I were looking to do a rare configured '86 Winchester, I'm sure I'd have Turnbull do it, but sure like what I've seen Brad do on SxS guns.
I have an SAA done by the factory when the Army sent a mess of them back in 1901. It's a 99%+ example, and what is amazing to me is that they still do the same work today. Too bad they don't take outside work in.
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Unread 04-29-2013, 01:42 PM   #14
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I am trying to learn more about Parker Brothers as a company and also my particular shotgun as well. I have a .410 VH hammerless with serial #217752 (1926). My grandfather, Arthur Carver from Durham, NC, bought the gun along with his two cousins. The three of them mail-ordered the guns and received three identical .410's in the mail, with sequentially ordered serial numbers. I do not know the whereabouts of the two other guns but I am planning on finding out very soon whether they are still with my living uncles. Mr. Carver used his .410 as his daily hunting gun. He was involved in the tobacco industry but had a great love of hunting and dogs. He was a national champion bird dog trainer in the 20's and 30's and the gun obviously saw a lot of use but was taken care of well. I never knew my grandfather as he passed away a few years before I was born. My mother had the gun when she passed away 10 years ago. She only told me that the gun had two identical brothers and that it was Mr. Carver's everyday carry. I'm not sure if she knew any more than that or not. I plan to keep the gun for my daughter and to keep in the family.

I do not have pics now but will be posting them soon when I have access to the shotgun. I have a couple of general questions though. I took it in to have the lead gunsmith at a very large gun and coin shop in Charlotte recently. The smith was very friendly and took a good deal of time talking to me and answering questions. He graded the gun about about "60%." There are no major flaws and only one very small dent in one of the barrels. The stock is probably the worst of the elements with several deep scratches and lots of small ones.

When does one restore? What makes a gun a good or bad candidate for restoration. The smith I talked to said this gun would be a "perfect" candidate. Even though I am planning to hold on to it I want to do right by the gun if that makes sense. It's not all about the money but I don't want to devalue it. He said that the gun's value would be raised to about 80% of mint after restoration. I have always heard not to restore old, collectible guns - appreciate the patina and age, etc. I thought that I had agreed with that philosophy until I saw a Parker 16 ga VH that he had just finished restoring. It was BEAUTIFUL! The smith said it was in similar if not worse shape than mine when it came in.

Should I consider restoring? I think that I would get a thrill from seeing the gun in close to original condition again - the condition that my grandfather used it in. I liken it to getting an old classic car back on the road again. However, this gun is in perfect working order but cosmetically it is dull and drab. Restoration is a pricey process and I don't want to do it just to get a kick out of doing it and I certainly do NOT want to devalue the gun somehow.

I have wondered about this for a while. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated very much. Thanks! Will
Will: You have received a wealth of excellant advice here on your valuable Parker .410. However, if you want to take it to an expert close to where you live I would suggest Jim Kelly, owner of Darlington Gun Works in Darlington, South Carolina. Jim did the restoration on the Super Fox belonging to Nash Buckingham known as "Bo Whoop" and is well know to this board.

Congratulations and Best Regards, George
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Hello Will,

As editor of Parker Pages I invite you to gather as much information on these three .410 Parkers as you are able to along with high-res pictures and contact me that we may discuss an article with color pictures in a future issue of Parker Pages.

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